inscription translation please

galvano · 3rd April 2006, 10:48 PM

on wootz khyber knife
thanks galvano

Zifir · 3rd April 2006, 11:17 PM

At last, an easy script I can read

The first picture:

Amel-i Osman: produced by Osman

The second one:

Tevekkeltu alallah: I place all of my trust and reliance in God

galvano · 4th April 2006, 07:23 PM

Thank you very much, Zifir, for this translation.
Is this writing it modern?
Which is the country of origin of this writing.
The blade is out of wootz.
It is thus not recent.
thanks
galvano

Zifir · 4th April 2006, 08:23 PM

you are wellcome. Since I am not an expert in script styles, my answer will be limited.

The script in the first picture reminded me ta'lik script. The second one, on the other hand, seemed to me as just plain and crude hand writing and could have been added later. (probably that's why I could easily read it

)

As far as I know it's difficult to pinpoint regional/national origin of the first script (ta'lik) since these styles were commonly used in the wider geography of islamic world. I am not much help in this, sorry.

Dom · 4th April 2006, 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zifir

At last, an easy script I can read

The first picture:

Amel-i Osman: produced by Osman

The second one:

Tevekkeltu alallah: I place all of my trust and reliance in God

back on first picture

it's not more "Omar Osman" what it's writing ? than "produced by Osman" ?

à +

Dom

ham · 5th April 2006, 12:50 AM

Salut Dom,

Zifir is correct, it's 'ain-mim-lam 'aml-- this is the word most typically
used in Arabic, Persian and Ottoman inscriptions to indicate the maker, followed by a proper name. Often there is a nisba as well.

Ham

galvano · 5th April 2006, 07:26 PM

hi .this is the pattern of wootz

Dom · 7th April 2006, 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ham

Salut Dom,
Zifir is correct, it's 'ain-mim-lam 'aml-- this is the word most typically
used in Arabic, Persian and Ottoman inscriptions to indicate the maker, followed by a proper name. Often there is a nisba as well. Ham

Thanks for the lesson

this night I will go to sleep be a little bit less stupid

à +

Dom

ham · 7th April 2006, 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dom

Thanks for the lesson

this night I will go to sleep be a little bit less stupid

à +

Dom

EstaghafarUllah, ya Dom! Ne t'humilies pas!

Nice piece of steel, Galvano.

Ham

3rd April 2006, 10:48 PM	#1
galvano Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 178	inscription translation please on wootz khyber knife thanks galvano Attached Images

4th April 2006, 07:23 PM	#3
galvano Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 178	hi Thank you very much, Zifir, for this translation. Is this writing it modern? Which is the country of origin of this writing. The blade is out of wootz. It is thus not recent. thanks galvano

5th April 2006, 07:26 PM	#7
galvano Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 178	pattern of this knife hi .this is the pattern of wootz Attached Images

3rd April 2006, 11:17 PM	#2
Zifir Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Istanbul Posts: 228	At last, an easy script I can read The first picture: Amel-i Osman: produced by Osman The second one: Tevekkeltu alallah: I place all of my trust and reliance in God

4th April 2006, 08:23 PM	#4
Zifir Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Istanbul Posts: 228	you are wellcome. Since I am not an expert in script styles, my answer will be limited. The script in the first picture reminded me ta'lik script. The second one, on the other hand, seemed to me as just plain and crude hand writing and could have been added later. (probably that's why I could easily read it ) As far as I know it's difficult to pinpoint regional/national origin of the first script (ta'lik) since these styles were commonly used in the wider geography of islamic world. I am not much help in this, sorry.

5th April 2006, 12:50 AM	#6
ham Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 190	Salut Dom, Zifir is correct, it's 'ain-mim-lam 'aml-- this is the word most typically used in Arabic, Persian and Ottoman inscriptions to indicate the maker, followed by a proper name. Often there is a nisba as well. Ham