Pre-WWI Saxon Ulan sword questions:

45Auto · 15th May 2009, 05:35 PM

The above blade is marked as follows:

1. Kgl. Sachs. Ulannen Regt. No 17 Kaiser Franz Josef von Oserreich, Konig von Ungarn.

Translated as:

"1st Royal Saxon Ulanen Regiment Number 17, Emperor Franz Josef, Emperor of Austria and King of Hungary"

What is the official model or patern designation of this sword?

What is the correct sword knot for the above?

Any other information would be appriciated.

Thank you for looking.

Greg

sabertasche · 16th May 2009, 02:17 AM

Hi Greg, you have a Model 1889 pattern Cavalry Degen. It is a generic pattern used by most of the Imperial German States with different guards attached to indicate what state the sword belonged to. Most have a straight blade but there are rarer sabre blades as well. You sword appears to be a dress/parade version, often bought by retired soldiers or troopers as a mementoe(sp!) of thier service or for parade use.

Imperial sword knots are a complex study as they were used to distinguish rank, regiment as well as state. According to "Swords of Germany 1900 - 1945" , by John Angolia, a sword such as yours would have a black leather knot with 2 silver wire strands, silver ball and stem with a green insert in the bottom. There are regimental patterns to the knots so I can't be sure if such a knot would be 100% correct (few collectors would know the difference). Saxony had a fairly large army so you might get lucky. Look to spend 150+ for a basic one though.

I hope this helps, nice sword.

Cheers,

Greg

45Auto · 16th May 2009, 07:52 PM

Thank you Greg.

I will keep an eye open for one. At least I have an idea of what to look for.

15th May 2009, 05:35 PM	#1
45Auto Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 16	Pre-WWI Saxon Ulan sword questions: The above blade is marked as follows: 1. Kgl. Sachs. Ulannen Regt. No 17 Kaiser Franz Josef von Oserreich, Konig von Ungarn. Translated as: "1st Royal Saxon Ulanen Regiment Number 17, Emperor Franz Josef, Emperor of Austria and King of Hungary" What is the official model or patern designation of this sword? What is the correct sword knot for the above? Any other information would be appriciated. Thank you for looking. Greg

16th May 2009, 02:17 AM	#2
sabertasche Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 149	Hi Greg, you have a Model 1889 pattern Cavalry Degen. It is a generic pattern used by most of the Imperial German States with different guards attached to indicate what state the sword belonged to. Most have a straight blade but there are rarer sabre blades as well. You sword appears to be a dress/parade version, often bought by retired soldiers or troopers as a mementoe(sp!) of thier service or for parade use. Imperial sword knots are a complex study as they were used to distinguish rank, regiment as well as state. According to "Swords of Germany 1900 - 1945" , by John Angolia, a sword such as yours would have a black leather knot with 2 silver wire strands, silver ball and stem with a green insert in the bottom. There are regimental patterns to the knots so I can't be sure if such a knot would be 100% correct (few collectors would know the difference). Saxony had a fairly large army so you might get lucky. Look to spend 150+ for a basic one though. I hope this helps, nice sword. Cheers, Greg

16th May 2009, 07:52 PM	#3
45Auto Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 16	Thank you Greg. I will keep an eye open for one. At least I have an idea of what to look for.