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Hi,
I'm a new member but not exactly new to the forums. I would first like to say hello. I collect some weapons and armor and practice HEMA on occasion. I used to lean more towards firearms but have always had an affinity for swords. I purchased this helmet from an auction and have received several different versions of stories. So, I wanted to see what the members here can add. Thank you in advance! Joe |
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Welcome to the forum Joe; hope you enjoy being here
![]() Could you post other pictures of your helmet ... in different positions ? |
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I will try to post some better pictures later but here is another angle.
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Missed ?
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Upright now
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So ... Gentlemen; no comments ?
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Agreed. Assembled fairly recently from old already rusted scrap steel using modern rivets and hinges. What did the auction describe it as ?
Last edited by Raf; 9th October 2023 at 04:11 PM. Reason: question added. |
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Hi Joe,
Welcome to the forum. Pictures of the inside of the helmet and the rivets especially would tell a lot. Could you please put these up when you have a chance. Regards, Ken |
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Sorry, have been busy. The auction listed it as Iron helmet 8-11 Cent AD. It was purchased in Germany.
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I'm surprised that the auction described it as such. Given that if genuine it would be a very rare and expensive thing. For comparison the Yarm helmet . UK.A river find in the 1950s , Doubts were initially raised about its authenticity due to its rather crude construction and its suspicious resemblance to a well documented German example. Now accepted as genuine. The material is wrought iron with a phosphorus content . 1 to 2 mm thick. Note the flat head rivets.
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The only thing I've found, touted to be original that resembles the construction and condition from around the same period is this one.
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Here is another version with the same problematic rivets . For comparison something similar from Brooklyn Museum. Egypt 7 - 8 century.
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And here is an example dated from the 12th. century, attributed to a German crusader, fallen in the siege of Lisbon. No hinges in this one.
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Is the hinge brass? An image of the hinge from inside would be nice, just out of interest.
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The supposedly genuine similar example shown by Joel1475 has the cheek pieces pointing towards the neck guard?!! Definitely not suspicious at all, right?
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https://www.thecollector.com/ancient...aracteristics/ The hinges of the cheek plates still seem too modern to me, but I give them the benefit of doubt. What strikes me is the even thickness of the cheek plates. The parts of a helmet were hammered at the time, but these look so perfect, no hammer marks. They look cut out. |
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I thought the same thing the first time I saw it but then it appears that the neck guard may be a brim.
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I think we can assume this was intended as a neck guard.
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