Stick sword from Solor

Sajen · 6th December 2009, 02:13 PM

Hello,

this stick sword from Solor I just traded with a friend from the Netherlands and want to share it with you. The tip of the blade is broken, maybe someone from you have a idea how I can repair it. And the end of the handle seems to my eyes not original, half of the handle seems to be missing. The pictures are from my friend.
Every comment is very appreciated.

sajen

Rick · 6th December 2009, 03:31 PM

Hi Sajen, yes, you're a half handle short .

I think that will be the bigger challenge than repair of the tip .

Looks like you've got the end cap at least .

Seems like a pretty fancy example .

Sajen · 6th December 2009, 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

Hi Sajen, yes, you're a half handle short .

I think that will be the bigger challenge than repair of the tip .

Looks like you've got the end cap at least .

Seems like a pretty fancy example .

Hi Rick,

thank's for comment. This is what I also think. The existing part of the handle seems to be from horn. The stick swords I have seen have a handle set together from three parts and the outer parts most of the time the same material. Now I have to know from which material is the part in the middle. So I hope that members who own such a sword would be so kind and tell me which material is used. Good luck that the end cap isn't missing.

Detlef

Rick · 6th December 2009, 04:31 PM

The center of mine, in fact probably most of the handle. is made from wood .
There should be a three inch section, either wood or covered wood (silver, cloth) then more horn veneer over wood to the end cap .

Where to get veneer of water buffalo ?

Do a search here , key word 'toa' and you will see my example .

Hmmm, key word brought up nothing ...

Ah, here it is :
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=solor

Tim Simmons · 6th December 2009, 07:47 PM

Seems very odd to me to have an original part that is clearly matching in finish and design to all other parts, to latter cut the handle down and stick the parts back together. I would suggest that the step down to the "end/butt cap" is completely intentional. Some good close up shots of this area might help? I can imagine that the weight of blade and length of handle are well balanced? It does not look fiddled with to me.

Mytribalworld · 6th December 2009, 08:25 PM

mid is wood also.....and horn,brass,translucent horn.

Rick · 6th December 2009, 08:35 PM

Any other examples out there ?

I wouldn't want to take on a full length Toa with Sajen's example .

Tim Simmons · 6th December 2009, 08:45 PM

Good point Rick.

What about long and short handle Philippine head axes? both would hurt a body.

Rick · 6th December 2009, 09:00 PM

Well, its style of use if a short handled version, would be very different; the Point of Balance would be totally different .

Might I suggest that the end cap is over a dowel to which the rest of the handle was attached .

Sajen · 6th December 2009, 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

The center of mine, in fact probably most of the handle. is made from wood .
There should be a three inch section, either wood or covered wood (silver, cloth) then more horn veneer over wood to the end cap .

Where to get veneer of water buffalo ?

Thank you Rick, until now I don't have the sword in my hands so I can't say if the handle from massive horn or wood with horn veneer.

Sajen · 6th December 2009, 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Simmons

Seems very odd to me to have an original part that is clearly matching in finish and design to all other parts, to latter cut the handle down and stick the parts back together. I would suggest that the step down to the "end/butt cap" is completely intentional. Some good close up shots of this area might help? I can imagine that the weight of blade and length of handle are well balanced? It does not look fiddled with to me.

Hello Tim,

thank's for comment. It's also to me a mystery why the handle is cut down like this and the end cap set on again, maybe because the other half of the handle was broken?

I will take some more pictures when I received the sword.
Regards,

Detlef

Sajen · 6th December 2009, 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mandaukudi

mid is wood also.....and horn,brass,translucent horn.

Thank you Arjan, your sword let me hope to get a good restoration by the handle. I have seen the biggest problem to get such a large piece of horn. But when I can use wood and black/green and also translucent horn it seems more easy.

Regards,

Detlef

Rick · 6th December 2009, 09:24 PM

I'd be interested to see shots of the end ; maybe the cap can be removed to see what is underneath .

Sajen · 6th December 2009, 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

Might I suggest that the end cap is over a dowel to which the rest of the handle was attached .

This is exactly what I also suppose. When I received the toa I will take some pictures from this area.

paolo · 8th December 2009, 05:19 PM

This is my one. Horna and silver.
Paolo

Rick · 8th December 2009, 08:01 PM

A nice example .
I'll bet Sajen's had a matching silver collar at one time .

Sajen · 9th December 2009, 09:14 PM

Hello folks,

first of all thank you very much for the shown toas, all three are very nice examples, I hope in near future my will look nice like yours.
Today I received the sword and it is like we think, the handle is cut down and the material is like the one from Rick wood covered with horn veneer, a technic I have never seen before and it is a mystery to me how this is done. Good that my wife will fly to Indonesia next Monday, she have already my order to look for a large piece of black/green horn.

It would be nice when Rick, Arjan and Paolo can give the dimensions of the sections of their swords (blade, first-, middle- and last part of the handle) to manage a good restoration. The lenght of my blade is 35,3 cm and of the existing part of the handle without end cap is 22,5 cm.

Here two close ups from the end of the handle.

Detlef

Sajen · 9th December 2009, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

A nice example .
I'll bet Sajen's had a matching silver collar at one time .

You might be correct by this!

paolo · 10th December 2009, 07:47 PM

Sajen here are dimensions of my one :
Blade 36,2 cm
First part of the handle 3,2 x 2,5 cm
Middle part 3,7 x 2,9
Last part 2,9 x 2,3
Paolo

Sajen · 11th December 2009, 02:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paolo

Sajen here are dimensions of my one :
Blade 36,2 cm
First part of the handle 3,2 x 2,5 cm
Middle part 3,7 x 2,9
Last part 2,9 x 2,3
Paolo

Thank you very much Paolo, you can give also the length of the handle parts?

Detlef

Rick · 11th December 2009, 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sajen

Hello folks,

first of all thank you very much for the shown toas, all three are very nice examples, I hope in near future my will look nice like yours.
Today I received the sword and it is like we think, the handle is cut down and the material is like the one from Rick wood covered with horn veneer, a technic I have never seen before and it is a mystery to me how this is done. Good that my wife will fly to Indonesia next Monday, she have already my order to look for a large piece of black/green horn.

It would be nice when Rick, Arjan and Paolo can give the dimensions of the sections of their swords (blade, first-, middle- and last part of the handle) to manage a good restoration. The lenght of my blade is 35,3 cm and of the existing part of the handle without end cap is 22,5 cm.

Here two close ups from the end of the handle.

Detlef

My example is 34.5 inches overall with 20 inches of haft and 14.5 inches of heavy blade .
The handle pieces are ; first section (nearest blade) horn 7.75" . mid band 3" ,
The end is made from two overlapping sections of horn measuring 9.25". There is a small oval brass butt end plate held on by 2 nails .

Sajen · 11th December 2009, 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

My example is 34.5 inches overall with 20 inches of haft and 14.5 inches of heavy blade .
The handle pieces are ; first section (nearest blade) horn 7.75" . mid band 3" ,
The end is made from two overlapping sections of horn measuring 9.25". There is a small oval brass butt end plate held on by 2 nails .

Thank you very much Rick, this will be a good help!

Detlef

Rick · 11th December 2009, 06:02 PM

Glad to be of help .

paolo · 11th December 2009, 08:28 PM

hi Sajen
first section (nearest blade) horn 19,9 cm , mid band 8,2 cm
second section horn 7,9 cm, band 1 cm
last horn section 14 cm, end band 1 cm
regards
Paolo

Rick · 11th December 2009, 08:39 PM

Hey !!
Sajen, where are the pictures ??

Sajen · 11th December 2009, 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

Hey !!
Sajen, where are the pictures ??

Sorry Rick,

I have thought I load them up!

To much work in the moment.
Here it goes.

Sajen · 11th December 2009, 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paolo

hi Sajen
first section (nearest blade) horn 19,9 cm , mid band 8,2 cm
second section horn 7,9 cm, band 1 cm
last horn section 14 cm, end band 1 cm
regards
Paolo

Thank you Paolo, it seems that they all similar by the measure.

Regards,

Detlef

6th December 2009, 02:13 PM	#1
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,769	Stick sword from Solor Hello, this stick sword from Solor I just traded with a friend from the Netherlands and want to share it with you. The tip of the blade is broken, maybe someone from you have a idea how I can repair it. And the end of the handle seems to my eyes not original, half of the handle seems to be missing. The pictures are from my friend. Every comment is very appreciated. sajen Attached Images Last edited by Sajen; 6th December 2009 at 03:09 PM.

6th December 2009, 04:31 PM	#4
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,291	The center of mine, in fact probably most of the handle. is made from wood . There should be a three inch section, either wood or covered wood (silver, cloth) then more horn veneer over wood to the end cap . Where to get veneer of water buffalo ? Do a search here , key word 'toa' and you will see my example . Hmmm, key word brought up nothing ... Ah, here it is : http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=solor Attached Images Last edited by Rick; 6th December 2009 at 05:17 PM.

6th December 2009, 08:25 PM	#6
Mytribalworld Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 400	mid is wood also.....and horn,brass,translucent horn. Attached Images

6th December 2009, 09:00 PM	#9
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,291	Well, its style of use if a short handled version, would be very different; the Point of Balance would be totally different . Might I suggest that the end cap is over a dowel to which the rest of the handle was attached . Attached Images

8th December 2009, 05:19 PM	#15
paolo Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 173	This is my one. Horna and silver. Paolo Attached Images

6th December 2009, 03:31 PM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,291	Hi Sajen, yes, you're a half handle short . I think that will be the bigger challenge than repair of the tip . Looks like you've got the end cap at least . Seems like a pretty fancy example .

6th December 2009, 07:47 PM	#5
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,806	Seems very odd to me to have an original part that is clearly matching in finish and design to all other parts, to latter cut the handle down and stick the parts back together. I would suggest that the step down to the "end/butt cap" is completely intentional. Some good close up shots of this area might help? I can imagine that the weight of blade and length of handle are well balanced? It does not look fiddled with to me.

6th December 2009, 08:35 PM	#7
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,291	Any other examples out there ? I wouldn't want to take on a full length Toa with Sajen's example .

6th December 2009, 08:45 PM	#8
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,806	Good point Rick. What about long and short handle Philippine head axes? both would hurt a body.

6th December 2009, 09:24 PM	#13
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,291	I'd be interested to see shots of the end ; maybe the cap can be removed to see what is underneath .

8th December 2009, 08:01 PM	#16
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,291	A nice example . I'll bet Sajen's had a matching silver collar at one time .

9th December 2009, 09:14 PM	#17
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,769	Hello folks, first of all thank you very much for the shown toas, all three are very nice examples, I hope in near future my will look nice like yours. Today I received the sword and it is like we think, the handle is cut down and the material is like the one from Rick wood covered with horn veneer, a technic I have never seen before and it is a mystery to me how this is done. Good that my wife will fly to Indonesia next Monday, she have already my order to look for a large piece of black/green horn. It would be nice when Rick, Arjan and Paolo can give the dimensions of the sections of their swords (blade, first-, middle- and last part of the handle) to manage a good restoration. The lenght of my blade is 35,3 cm and of the existing part of the handle without end cap is 22,5 cm. Here two close ups from the end of the handle. Detlef

10th December 2009, 07:47 PM	#19
paolo Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 173	Sajen here are dimensions of my one : Blade 36,2 cm First part of the handle 3,2 x 2,5 cm Middle part 3,7 x 2,9 Last part 2,9 x 2,3 Paolo

11th December 2009, 06:02 PM	#23
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,291	Glad to be of help .

11th December 2009, 08:28 PM	#24
paolo Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 173	hi Sajen first section (nearest blade) horn 19,9 cm , mid band 8,2 cm second section horn 7,9 cm, band 1 cm last horn section 14 cm, end band 1 cm regards Paolo

11th December 2009, 08:39 PM	#25
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,291	Hey !! Sajen, where are the pictures ??