Small sword for comments

[fernando]

An iron guard, with only the grip in bone, which must have been a replacement long, long ago; pommel peen looks intact. The pas d'ane not just residual; we can easily introduce the finger in it. Interesting that the quillon end (an acorn?) is bent to the side, looking however to have been born like that; some meaning to it ?
The blade wirh a lenticular ricasso and a perfect double fuller in the first third. Its length large enough to be considered fit for fighting; 86 cms. width 18 mm. Thickness 6 mm. Weight 532 grams.
The date, i would say, would still fall into 18th century.
Could you Genlemen guess on a origin of this sword, based on the above pictures and details.
Thank you in dvance.


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[midelburgo]

Blade seems to me like a Couleaux product from middle XIXth century. There is no point on having a long ricasso after the pas d'ane.

[fernando]

Thanks much for your (edited) input .
... I was going nuts with that Chateau-Renault thing !
Let me see ...
Long ricassos are not needed in swords with pas d'ane. This (lenticular) one measures 3,5 cms.; i will not pretend that this part is there for decoration, like a smith's whim; just like pas d'anes are, in many examples.
On the other hand, if i follow your thoughts, this blade was mounted in this small sword hilt at a later stage ... just like the bone grip.
But being a Coleaux product shouldn't it have some inscriptions, as is their habit ?


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[midelburgo]

Sorry for the mess. I wrote Chateaurenault instead of Chatellerault but that did not seem correct. Of course it should have been Klingenthal.

I have one of those two channeled blades mounted with a XIXth century copy of a XVI th century hispano-flemish hilt. The Couleux inscription was erased but not beyond recognition.

I take notice for the long ricassos... never say never...

Originally they were for all kind of dress sword shortly after Napoleon III.
This one is for medical staff.

[fernando]

Well elucidated, thank you. I never realized that such operational looking blade was so modern; and at least about a century younger than the guard where it is now mounted.

[broadaxe]

Originally Posted by fernando

Well elucidated, thank you. I never realized that such operational looking blade was so modern; and at least about a century younger than the guard where it is now mounted.

Being military-grade, such blades still saw some action by the mid-19th c.

[fernando]

Thanks much for the cheer up .
I had a conversation with the person with whom i traded this sword. He has bought is as it is, but he promised to replace the blade with one of his unmounted ones available from an earlier period.

[fernando]

Here we are; remounted with a period blade. Spanish, German; would anyone have a guess ?

Length 81 cms. Width 27 mm. Thickness 7 mm.
Looks like the grip is not bone, but some kind of boar tooth or the like.

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[Radboud]

That blade looks more in harmony with the hilt now. You'd be happy with that result.

[fernando]

Originally Posted by Radboud

... You'd be happy with that result...

You can bet i am .