More Wilah's

Harley · 2nd January 2012, 09:03 PM

First of all I wish everyone a good and healthy 2012!

I hope you can help me out with 2 of my other wilah's, in total i have 8 wilah's without a sheath, but i shall post them by the two.

The one on the top is i think pamor rante, but thats all i know about it, the blade is very thin, the blade is without the pesi 40 cm.

The one below puzzles me the most, my first thought was that it's factory made, it is a heavy wilah with a thick pesi, the blade is without the pesi 37 cm.

The most importance for me is to know if the are worth it to make a new sheath, and what kind of sheath(area they come from).

regards,
Ben

PenangsangII · 3rd January 2012, 12:43 AM

Happy new year...

The heavy and sturdy # 2 keris could be tangguh Tuban. maybe a warangan treatment would suffice its true worthiness of a new sheath, or at least a secondhand keris sheath.

David · 3rd January 2012, 04:34 AM

I'm not sure what you mean by "factory" made.
I suspect that with a warangan treatment you will discover that the second blade has a very nice pamor wengkon pattern. Looks like a nice keris to me.

Jean · 3rd January 2012, 09:46 AM

Harvey,
This is approximately how your thick blade should look like after warangan treatment. A sheath in East Java or Central Java style would be convenient.
Regards

Harley · 3rd January 2012, 11:59 AM

PenangsangII, i didn't expected it was a good wilah, if it is, for sure i make a new sheath for it.

David, i bought this wilah from a picture, to me was told it was gonjo iras, but it wasn't, and the tikel alis(Ithink thats the name of the comma?) looks like it's done with a dremel, and the overall appearance seems to be to neat/tight.
And on top of the gonjo there is some kind of a marking, 3 lines in a V shape, but i see that i judged to quickly.

Jean, that is a beautiful keris, i have once tried to wash mine, but with no good result so i cleaned it, i hope when i get it right it looks somehow like yours.

And the one on top guys, or is that impossible to tell from a picture?
I also have this sheath, and i don't know where it's coming from.

Thanks for your answers!

regards,
Ben

Marcokeris · 3rd January 2012, 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jean

Harvey,
This is approximately how your thick blade should look like after warangan treatment. A sheath in East Java or Central Java style would be convenient.
Regards

Very very nice

Karttikeya · 3rd January 2012, 02:15 PM

Hi Jean, very interesting hilt, congratz..I'm attracted to own such that hilt..But dunno where I can find it so far

To my eye, your Tilam Upih looks like pretty average of keris, sorry to say but sheath, scabbard, and specially Nyamba hilt are so nice..

Jean · 3rd January 2012, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harley

I also have this sheath, and i don't know where it's coming from.

Thanks for your answers!

regards,
Ben

Hello Ben,
AFAIK this style of sheath is from Cirebon/ Northern Java, see attached picture.
Regards

Jean · 3rd January 2012, 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karttikeya

Hi Jean, very interesting hilt, congratz..I'm attracted to own such that hilt..But dunno where I can find it so far

To my eye, your Tilam Upih looks like pretty average of keris, sorry to say but sheath, scabbard, and specially Nyamba hilt are so nice..

Hello Karttikeya,
The sheath & hilt of my kris were made quite recently (not later than 1995) but by a master craftsman indeed. Regarding the blade, the dapur is not Tilam Upih but Brojol (no tikel alis), it is not a fantastic piece but a strong one with some age.
Regards

Harley · 3rd January 2012, 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jean

Hello Ben,
AFAIK this style of sheath is from Cirebon/ Northern Java, see attached picture.
Regards

Thank you Jean, that mystery is solved, for me it was, you guys are of the greatest help!

regards,
Ben

Sajen · 3rd January 2012, 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harley

I also have this sheath, and i don't know where it's coming from.

Hello Ben,

agree with Jean that your sheath is from Cirebon/North Java. BTW a very very nice one!

Regards,

Detlef

A. G. Maisey · 3rd January 2012, 06:22 PM

Harley, I'm only going to endorse what has already been said:- both blades are old, both are well worth the effort of redressing.

However, in my opinion, neither are worth putting a lot of money into. If I had these blades they would be dressed in Solo gayaman.

Harley · 3rd January 2012, 08:11 PM

Thanks Detlef, I also like the sheath, but i doubt if i have or can find a Cirebon wilah.

Mr Maisey, thanks for your answer, i am gonna dress them in a solo gayaman, for now it's my only choice because i don't have thicker wood to make a ladrang sheath.

Can i put the next 2 wilah's in this topic or shall i make a new topic?

regards,
Ben

David · 3rd January 2012, 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harley

Can i put the next 2 wilah's in this topic or shall i make a new topic?

Harley, i would make a new thread to avoid confusion. You might even consider showing blades one at a time unless you feel that the keris have some regional or time period relationship.

Harley · 3rd January 2012, 08:23 PM

OK, thanks David, i shall make a new topic and post them one by one.

2nd January 2012, 09:03 PM	#1
Harley Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Nederland Posts: 83	More Wilah's First of all I wish everyone a good and healthy 2012! I hope you can help me out with 2 of my other wilah's, in total i have 8 wilah's without a sheath, but i shall post them by the two. The one on the top is i think pamor rante, but thats all i know about it, the blade is very thin, the blade is without the pesi 40 cm. The one below puzzles me the most, my first thought was that it's factory made, it is a heavy wilah with a thick pesi, the blade is without the pesi 37 cm. The most importance for me is to know if the are worth it to make a new sheath, and what kind of sheath(area they come from). regards, Ben Attached Images

3rd January 2012, 09:46 AM	#4
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	Harvey, This is approximately how your thick blade should look like after warangan treatment. A sheath in East Java or Central Java style would be convenient. Regards Attached Images

3rd January 2012, 11:59 AM	#5
Harley Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Nederland Posts: 83	PenangsangII, i didn't expected it was a good wilah, if it is, for sure i make a new sheath for it. David, i bought this wilah from a picture, to me was told it was gonjo iras, but it wasn't, and the tikel alis(Ithink thats the name of the comma?) looks like it's done with a dremel, and the overall appearance seems to be to neat/tight. And on top of the gonjo there is some kind of a marking, 3 lines in a V shape, but i see that i judged to quickly. Jean, that is a beautiful keris, i have once tried to wash mine, but with no good result so i cleaned it, i hope when i get it right it looks somehow like yours. And the one on top guys, or is that impossible to tell from a picture? I also have this sheath, and i don't know where it's coming from. Thanks for your answers! regards, Ben Attached Images Last edited by Harley; 3rd January 2012 at 12:21 PM.

3rd January 2012, 12:43 AM	#2
PenangsangII Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 401	Happy new year... The heavy and sturdy # 2 keris could be tangguh Tuban. maybe a warangan treatment would suffice its true worthiness of a new sheath, or at least a secondhand keris sheath.

3rd January 2012, 04:34 AM	#3
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,113	I'm not sure what you mean by "factory" made. I suspect that with a warangan treatment you will discover that the second blade has a very nice pamor wengkon pattern. Looks like a nice keris to me.

3rd January 2012, 02:15 PM	#7
Karttikeya Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 54	Hi Jean, very interesting hilt, congratz..I'm attracted to own such that hilt..But dunno where I can find it so far To my eye, your Tilam Upih looks like pretty average of keris, sorry to say but sheath, scabbard, and specially Nyamba hilt are so nice..

3rd January 2012, 06:22 PM	#12
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,877	Harley, I'm only going to endorse what has already been said:- both blades are old, both are well worth the effort of redressing. However, in my opinion, neither are worth putting a lot of money into. If I had these blades they would be dressed in Solo gayaman.

3rd January 2012, 08:11 PM	#13
Harley Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Nederland Posts: 83	Thanks Detlef, I also like the sheath, but i doubt if i have or can find a Cirebon wilah. Mr Maisey, thanks for your answer, i am gonna dress them in a solo gayaman, for now it's my only choice because i don't have thicker wood to make a ladrang sheath. Can i put the next 2 wilah's in this topic or shall i make a new topic? regards, Ben

3rd January 2012, 08:23 PM	#15
Harley Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Nederland Posts: 83	OK, thanks David, i shall make a new topic and post them one by one.