A Very Nice Coorg Pichangetti With All the "Bells and Whistles"

CharlesS · 4th June 2016, 05:49 PM

Coorg pichangettis are rare enough under any circumstances, but imagine my excitement when I saw this one!

This example is mounted with ivory scales with hilt mounts(pommel cap, top star motif, and rivet caps) in gold (looks low grade), with a real silver bolster. The scabbard is wood mounted with silver fittings dressed in matching gold wire and gold chape terminal cap. The gold decorations to the chape are applied separately to the silver and may be later additions, or perhaps this is a presentation piece or gift. Note the initials "C.P.R." (...which, by the way, is what I needed when I saw it!) to the gold plate above the crossed ayda kattis and also on the silver plate above the personal tools.

The heavy silver chain leads to a "belt" of silver "tear drops" culminating in the silver plate, hook, and silver personal tools, plus an interesting charm in the form of a Coorg ayda katti. Note also the silver lined tang between the scales and the more usual silver "steps" inserted into the tang.

I am assuming this is a late 19th to mid 20th century piece, but would love any input on its possible age.

I am even more curious as to how these were worn and wonder if any of our members may have access to a period photo of one being worn correctly???

Dimensions:
Overall length, minus accoutrements: 12.25in.
Blade length: 6.5in.
Blade width at the widest point: 1.5in.

Ian · 4th June 2016, 08:45 PM

Lovely knife Charles.

Here are some pictures off the web of a Coorgi wedding with men in traditional dress (including their silver knives).

Ian

CharlesS · 4th June 2016, 08:51 PM

AWESOME pics Ian!!! This is not at all the way I expected it to be worn. Great info! It reminds me a bit of the modern wear of Indonesian keris and Arab jambiyas.

If you look at the examples in the bottom two photos, you can see some of the exact same motifs as the one I have posted here.

I wonder if these knives become family heirlooms?

The Coorg have clearly updated their beer and drinks menu...
...and I would sure love to be at that buffet!

Battara · 4th June 2016, 09:03 PM

This is one of the nicest examples I have seen!

Jens Nordlunde · 4th June 2016, 10:23 PM

Yes it really are very interisting pictures - thanks for showing.

Jens

Sajen · 4th June 2016, 10:59 PM

Hello Charles,

congrats, what a beautiful piece now when polished up. Now I know where it went!

Best regards,
Detlef

Gavin Nugent · 5th June 2016, 01:18 PM

Nice piece Charles.

They have indeed become family heirlooms and are much sought after in Coorg circles. I have been lucky enough to have been given native insight in to these knives.

I quote directly from one email;"Piche-katti means handy knife. We grow coffee, rice and coconuts back in Coorg and in the old days they used it to harvest paddy and today the knife is used to break open coconuts in a wedding as a part of the welcome ceremony", unquote...images of the ceremony were supplied to me that I cannot share here.
Quote, "Every Coorg man gets one done when he gets marries and I got one done a couple years ago(see attached)", unquote...again, I cannot share the images here.

Gavin

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 5th June 2016, 01:45 PM

On the utensil line up this silver jewellery also contains an ear spoon...!!

CharlesS · 5th June 2016, 04:12 PM

[QUOTE="Every Coorg man gets one done when he gets marries and I got one done a couple years ago(see attached)", unquote...again, I cannot share the images here.

Gavin[/QUOTE]

Gavin,

That's interesting info. It would make one believe that you would see more of these pichangettis around, but as family heirlooms...and they must take them seriously as such...that may explain their relative scarcity.

Jens Nordlunde · 5th June 2016, 05:48 PM

The coconut was used in more than one way in India in the old times. Here is a quote.
"When the delegation from Mawar arrived at the Mewar court, and presented the customary betrothal coconut, prince Chunda was absent, and Maharana Lakha jokingly asked if the betrothal was meant for him being an old grey
bearded man."
So what Garv writes it quite interesting, as the coconut still have a meaning.

BANDOOK · 9th June 2016, 01:11 PM

HI CHARLES HERE ARE COUPLE OF PICHANGETTIS BELONGING TO MY UNCLE WHO IS A COORGI[NATIVE OF COORG].THEY BELONGED TO HIS GRANDFATHER WHICH WAS THEN PASSED ON TO HIS FATHER AND INTURN TO HIM.AS THEY ARE FAMILY HEIRLOOMS THEY NEVER GET SOLD.
ALSO IS A FAMILY PICTURE OF HIS GRANDFATHER AND HIS DAD AS A YOUNG BOY.
REGARDS RAJESH

BANDOOK · 9th June 2016, 01:18 PM

SOME MORE PICTURES OF PICHANGETTIS AND ITS BIGGER BROTHER THE WAR WEAPON THE ADYA KATTI

CharlesS · 9th June 2016, 10:44 PM

BANDOOK,

Thanks so much for posting these lovely heirloom examples along with the photos. It's always amazing when we can get some input from the actual culture that used/uses the blade in discussion!

You post would certainly suggest why we see so few of these on the market.

It seems that with the pichangetti's the blade may change a little bit in size, but only the blade's dress and scabbard materials are altered, and even then the basic nature of the knife always stays the same.

Are quality of materials based on wealth or status?....or as in many cultures one is synonymous with the other?

Royston · 9th June 2016, 11:33 PM

Hello Charles
That is a beauty for sure.

I pulled this photo off the web a long time ago so cannot remember where from. It's not brilliant but does show both knives being worn and held.

As for Bandook's photos - I could have sworn that the one on the gray background was mine until I noticed the it does not have a central silver band on the scabbard. They look like brothers. I have included a photo of my one from a previous post.

I wonder how many smiths there were making these?

Regards
Roy

BANDOOK · 10th June 2016, 01:08 PM

HI ROYSTON
THE BLADES ARE MADE BY BLACKSMITHS AND THEN SENT TO THE JEWELLERS WHO THEN DECORATE THEM AND INLAY THEM WITH WOOD AND SILVER,BONE AND IVORY HAS BEEN USED IN SOME OCASSIONS BUT SILVER IS PREFERRED MORE.
NOW DAYS ONE CAN BUY NEW ONES AT THE JEWELLERS IN MERCARA ,CAPITAL OF COORG DISTRICT AND VIRAJPET,SO THAT ONE CAN USE THEM FOR WEDDINGS AND TRADITIONAL FESTIVALS.
I HAVE POSTED MY COORG GUN EARLIER IN THE FORUM BUT WOULD POST SOME PICTURES TO GO WITH THE BEAUTIFUL PICHANGETTI

4th June 2016, 05:49 PM	#1
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,857	A Very Nice Ceremonial/Dress Coorg Pichangetti With All the "Bells and Whistles" Coorg pichangettis are rare enough under any circumstances, but imagine my excitement when I saw this one! This example is mounted with ivory scales with hilt mounts(pommel cap, top star motif, and rivet caps) in gold (looks low grade), with a real silver bolster. The scabbard is wood mounted with silver fittings dressed in matching gold wire and gold chape terminal cap. The gold decorations to the chape are applied separately to the silver and may be later additions, or perhaps this is a presentation piece or gift. Note the initials "C.P.R." (...which, by the way, is what I needed when I saw it!) to the gold plate above the crossed ayda kattis and also on the silver plate above the personal tools. The heavy silver chain leads to a "belt" of silver "tear drops" culminating in the silver plate, hook, and silver personal tools, plus an interesting charm in the form of a Coorg ayda katti. Note also the silver lined tang between the scales and the more usual silver "steps" inserted into the tang. I am assuming this is a late 19th to mid 20th century piece, but would love any input on its possible age. I am even more curious as to how these were worn and wonder if any of our members may have access to a period photo of one being worn correctly??? Dimensions: Overall length, minus accoutrements: 12.25in. Blade length: 6.5in. Blade width at the widest point: 1.5in. Attached Images Last edited by CharlesS; 4th June 2016 at 07:09 PM.

4th June 2016, 08:45 PM	#2
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,203	Lovely knife Charles. Here are some pictures off the web of a Coorgi wedding with men in traditional dress (including their silver knives). Ian Attached Images

9th June 2016, 01:11 PM	#11
BANDOOK Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: AUCKLAND,NEW ZEALAND Posts: 624	A COUPLE OF MY UNCLES PICHANGETTIS HI CHARLES HERE ARE COUPLE OF PICHANGETTIS BELONGING TO MY UNCLE WHO IS A COORGI[NATIVE OF COORG].THEY BELONGED TO HIS GRANDFATHER WHICH WAS THEN PASSED ON TO HIS FATHER AND INTURN TO HIM.AS THEY ARE FAMILY HEIRLOOMS THEY NEVER GET SOLD. ALSO IS A FAMILY PICTURE OF HIS GRANDFATHER AND HIS DAD AS A YOUNG BOY. REGARDS RAJESH Attached Images

9th June 2016, 01:18 PM	#12
BANDOOK Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: AUCKLAND,NEW ZEALAND Posts: 624	SOME MORE PICTURES OF PICHANGETTIS AND ITS BIGGER BROTHER THE WAR WEAPON THE ADYA KATTI Attached Images

9th June 2016, 11:33 PM	#14
Royston Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Poole England Posts: 443	Hello Charles That is a beauty for sure. I pulled this photo off the web a long time ago so cannot remember where from. It's not brilliant but does show both knives being worn and held. As for Bandook's photos - I could have sworn that the one on the gray background was mine until I noticed the it does not have a central silver band on the scabbard. They look like brothers. I have included a photo of my one from a previous post. I wonder how many smiths there were making these? Regards Roy Attached Images

4th June 2016, 08:51 PM	#3
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,857	AWESOME pics Ian!!! This is not at all the way I expected it to be worn. Great info! It reminds me a bit of the modern wear of Indonesian keris and Arab jambiyas. If you look at the examples in the bottom two photos, you can see some of the exact same motifs as the one I have posted here. I wonder if these knives become family heirlooms? The Coorg have clearly updated their beer and drinks menu... ...and I would sure love to be at that buffet!

4th June 2016, 09:03 PM	#4
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,225	This is one of the nicest examples I have seen!

4th June 2016, 10:23 PM	#5
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Yes it really are very interisting pictures - thanks for showing. Jens

4th June 2016, 10:59 PM	#6
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,786	Hello Charles, congrats, what a beautiful piece now when polished up. Now I know where it went! Best regards, Detlef

5th June 2016, 01:18 PM	#7
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Nice piece Charles. They have indeed become family heirlooms and are much sought after in Coorg circles. I have been lucky enough to have been given native insight in to these knives. I quote directly from one email;"Piche-katti means handy knife. We grow coffee, rice and coconuts back in Coorg and in the old days they used it to harvest paddy and today the knife is used to break open coconuts in a wedding as a part of the welcome ceremony", unquote...images of the ceremony were supplied to me that I cannot share here. Quote, "Every Coorg man gets one done when he gets marries and I got one done a couple years ago(see attached)", unquote...again, I cannot share the images here. Gavin

5th June 2016, 01:45 PM	#8
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	On the utensil line up this silver jewellery also contains an ear spoon...!!

5th June 2016, 04:12 PM	#9
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,857	[QUOTE="Every Coorg man gets one done when he gets marries and I got one done a couple years ago(see attached)", unquote...again, I cannot share the images here. Gavin[/QUOTE] Gavin, That's interesting info. It would make one believe that you would see more of these pichangettis around, but as family heirlooms...and they must take them seriously as such...that may explain their relative scarcity.

5th June 2016, 05:48 PM	#10
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	The coconut was used in more than one way in India in the old times. Here is a quote. "When the delegation from Mawar arrived at the Mewar court, and presented the customary betrothal coconut, prince Chunda was absent, and Maharana Lakha jokingly asked if the betrothal was meant for him being an old grey bearded man." So what Garv writes it quite interesting, as the coconut still have a meaning.

9th June 2016, 10:44 PM	#13
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,857	BANDOOK, Thanks so much for posting these lovely heirloom examples along with the photos. It's always amazing when we can get some input from the actual culture that used/uses the blade in discussion! You post would certainly suggest why we see so few of these on the market. It seems that with the pichangetti's the blade may change a little bit in size, but only the blade's dress and scabbard materials are altered, and even then the basic nature of the knife always stays the same. Are quality of materials based on wealth or status?....or as in many cultures one is synonymous with the other?

10th June 2016, 01:08 PM	#15
BANDOOK Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: AUCKLAND,NEW ZEALAND Posts: 624	HI ROYSTON THE BLADES ARE MADE BY BLACKSMITHS AND THEN SENT TO THE JEWELLERS WHO THEN DECORATE THEM AND INLAY THEM WITH WOOD AND SILVER,BONE AND IVORY HAS BEEN USED IN SOME OCASSIONS BUT SILVER IS PREFERRED MORE. NOW DAYS ONE CAN BUY NEW ONES AT THE JEWELLERS IN MERCARA ,CAPITAL OF COORG DISTRICT AND VIRAJPET,SO THAT ONE CAN USE THEM FOR WEDDINGS AND TRADITIONAL FESTIVALS. I HAVE POSTED MY COORG GUN EARLIER IN THE FORUM BUT WOULD POST SOME PICTURES TO GO WITH THE BEAUTIFUL PICHANGETTI Attached Images