27th September 2009, 01:14 PM | #1 |
Member
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: The Sharp end
Posts: 2,928
|
20thC Folding combination knife 'REMANIT' ID needed
Picked up this old folder today. Beautiful quality, haven't cleaned it up yet so its a bit grubby. Not sure if I'll keep it forever, but I'll enjoy it for a while.
Can anyone ID the maker or help witha date please? The blades are stamped 'REMANIT Rost Frei'. I'd normally ignore anything marked 'rost frei' as being modern, but this doesn't feel modern to me. Staghorn slabs, Heavy nickel mounts, the 'guards' seem to be some kind of multi purpose grip/tool and are marked 'C12' one one and 'C16' on the other. |
27th September 2009, 04:12 PM | #2 |
Member
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Tallahassee, FL
Posts: 131
|
I'd say German c. 1950 or so. Or nearby. Pity the blades are buffed- its a lovely piece but I always think buffed finishes cheapen things. Are you going to carry it? Nice antler on it, too.
|
27th September 2009, 04:59 PM | #3 |
Member
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 332
|
This is a classic, old-world hunter's pocket knife. Rostfrei = stainless (steel) in German. The different guards (12GA & 16GA) are for removing swelled empty cartridges from shotguns without ejectors. Despite the common belief that stainless steel was available commercially only after WWII, it is not so. First known stainless steel knife was made in 1911 and Germany was almost the only country to produce quality stainless steel knives before WWII.
Similar copies of that pattern were made in large numbers (though of lower quality) in soviet-era Russia, roughly during 1960-1980. |
1st October 2009, 11:39 AM | #4 |
Member
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: The Sharp end
Posts: 2,928
|
Hi guys, thanks for the info. Anyone know this maker in particular? Sorry for the late reply, been layed a bit low with a heavy cold for a few days.
Cleaning the knife up at the mo, bit grubby, but seems to have survived very well. |
2nd October 2009, 07:56 AM | #5 |
Member
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND
Posts: 2,739
|
Hi Gene,
A GOOGLE search of REMANIT suggests that it is a TYPE of stainless steel rather than a maker. Check it out and see what you think. The knife appears to me to be one designed for use by hunters, as the two claws to remove stuck cartridges would obviously only be of use in this application. Hows the head?? Regards Stu |
2nd October 2009, 09:30 AM | #6 | |
Member
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: The Sharp end
Posts: 2,928
|
Quote:
LOL, my mrs got it last week, and is heavily pregnant so couldn't take much for it poor thing. Just when I thought we'd start to get more than 1/2 hours sleep at a time, I come down with it! I guess it could have been worse (Swine flu not just a heavy cold) but I've felt pretty rough! Much better now thanks. She is too. The steel huh? I did see something about a dental alloy... I'll have another look after work, thanks mate. Regards gene |
|
2nd October 2009, 11:58 PM | #7 |
Member
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: The Sharp end
Posts: 2,928
|
Ah yes, I see...
I don't really aprove of google so try to use Yahoo or bing, but they are fecking awful in comparison. Can't believe I didn't realise the relevance of C12/C16... I'm going to blame coming down with the cold Heres a clearer picture, without the flash. Every blade is marked with a big curved 'REMANIT' and 'Rost Frei' above. I can't see any makers mark, but the main blade has a 'A' on one side of the remanit logo and an 'L' cradling an 'R' (if that makes sense) on the other. The file/chisel blade doubles as a lock release for the main blade when its closed. The frame is made of brass sheets and nickel mounts, the slabs are very finely sliced stag horn. So, do we now think nearer the begining of the C or still more like 1950s? OH, and whats the hole in the hoof pick for? Last edited by Atlantia; 3rd October 2009 at 12:09 AM. |
3rd October 2009, 02:19 AM | #8 |
Member
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: NC, U.S.A.
Posts: 2,094
|
To me, the fittings (right word?) above and below the horn grips look like art-deco style. If you look at the architecture of Nazi Germany during the "30's", you will see flag staff fittings, motorcade decoration, badges of rank, etc, etc, in this neuvo style. Just a complete guess, but perhaps 30's-40's?
|
3rd October 2009, 03:27 PM | #9 | |
Member
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: The Sharp end
Posts: 2,928
|
Quote:
|
|
3rd October 2009, 05:06 PM | #10 |
Member
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 1,596
|
Hi Gene,
I think the 'hoofpick with the hole' is a can opener. Regards, Norman. |
3rd October 2009, 05:39 PM | #11 | |
(deceased)
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Portugal
Posts: 9,694
|
Quote:
Does this make sense? Fernando |
|
3rd October 2009, 06:04 PM | #12 |
(deceased)
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Portugal
Posts: 9,694
|
Do you fancy antique combined pocket knives?
How about this botanic setup ... made in Germany for the British market ? The inscription on the blade reads someone, 158 Strand; maybe the retailer ... or the owner. The DRGM appoints to a date around 1905. Fernando . Last edited by fernando; 3rd October 2009 at 06:43 PM. Reason: correction |
3rd October 2009, 07:40 PM | #13 | |
Member
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: The Sharp end
Posts: 2,928
|
Quote:
Hi Nando, Well, I usually don't keep them long as others like them a lot, and I prefer ethnic stuff. You've got a rather nice 'pruning knife' there! Unusual for sure and very collectable! Is there a saw blade too? That particular one was as you say made in Germany for export (and sale by foreign retailers) Do you want to see a near identical one (in fact identical but with a saw) from a book I have? Regards Gene |
|
3rd October 2009, 07:42 PM | #14 | |
Member
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: The Sharp end
Posts: 2,928
|
Quote:
Hi Norman, it doesn't have a sharp (ish) edge though, it would be murder getting it through a can? Regards Gene |
|
3rd October 2009, 07:53 PM | #15 | |
(deceased)
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Portugal
Posts: 9,694
|
Hi Gene,
Quote:
... to a known dear forum member, of course. Fernando |
|
3rd October 2009, 09:06 PM | #16 |
Member
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 1,596
|
Hi,
Here's a couple of knives with combined can openers and bottle openers at the ready. The top one is my personal everyday knife so quite sharp, the bottom one is from the 'bits and pieces' kitchen drawer, sharp as a butter knife but will still open a can, it's all in the wrist movement. Regards, Norman. |
3rd October 2009, 09:06 PM | #17 |
(deceased)
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Portugal
Posts: 9,694
|
It seems as my pocket knives found a new home .
Fernando |
3rd October 2009, 10:28 PM | #18 | |
Member
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND
Posts: 2,739
|
Quote:
Regards Stu |
|
3rd October 2009, 11:55 PM | #19 |
Member
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: The Sharp end
Posts: 2,928
|
Sorry Stu, which do you think the hook blade on mine is? (the one with the hole).
And any thoughts on the hole? Cheers mate Gene |
4th October 2009, 12:02 AM | #20 | |
Member
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: The Sharp end
Posts: 2,928
|
Quote:
I have a couple of folding knives that ARE permenant additions to my collection. I admit this new folder is so nice I might keep it for a while. Well, unless someone offers me something extra nice for it! |
|
4th October 2009, 12:07 AM | #21 | |
Member
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND
Posts: 2,739
|
Quote:
I was refering to yours. The hook blade I believe is for removing the foil on wine bottles, and the hole COULD be for loosening that nasty wire that you find on champagne bottles....insert the end of the wire in the hole to untwist? I have also seen wire on european stone wine/gin bottles. No doubt at the end of the hunt there was a celebration!! In my opinion it is NOT for opening cans, as the tool for that requires somthing to grip the rim, as per those shown by Norm. Feeling any better?? Stu |
|
4th October 2009, 12:11 AM | #22 | |
Member
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: The Sharp end
Posts: 2,928
|
Quote:
Its certainly a nice old knife. Do you want to venture a guess at a date? |
|
4th October 2009, 12:15 AM | #23 |
Member
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 1,596
|
Wino's 3 Teetotallers 0
|
4th October 2009, 12:21 AM | #24 | |
Member
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND
Posts: 2,739
|
Quote:
|
|
4th October 2009, 12:24 AM | #25 | |
Member
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND
Posts: 2,739
|
Quote:
Stu |
|
4th October 2009, 11:00 AM | #26 |
Member
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: NC, U.S.A.
Posts: 2,094
|
I still think it's pre-1940 German art deco, 1920's-30's. Stu is right that it can't be 1940's or it would probably have had Nazi sentiments or markings on it, as even their coins of the period did. Post-Germany was getting away from this style of decoration and architecture, although Hans Scharoun's style remained in his works. I had some pics of some Nazi daggers, specifically the RAD dagger and motor corps daggers, as well as Italian fascist daggers of the 1930's, flag staff fittings, and badges, but I was afriad posting thier pics here from various websites might be offensive to some, so I withheld. In any case, a very nice piece...
|
4th October 2009, 01:21 PM | #27 |
Member
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: The Sharp end
Posts: 2,928
|
Gentlemen, sorry its in Japanese, even if you translate it, its not a lot of help, but here is a page with the same knife with carbon blades (half way down the page):
http://www.geocities.jp/akiraknives/...iroiro_old.htm |
5th October 2009, 03:03 PM | #28 | |
Member
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Kent
Posts: 2,653
|
Quote:
Hi Gene , ....ANTON WINGEN JR in within the Japanese script. A solingen cutler and knife maker..... He's usually assoc. with an 'Orthello' mark though...perhaps this pattern was made by several Solingen makers. As many have said... does have a pre WW2 look about it Regards David Last edited by katana; 5th October 2009 at 03:16 PM. |
|
5th October 2009, 07:06 PM | #29 | |
Member
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: The Sharp end
Posts: 2,928
|
Quote:
Hi David, Heres a semi-full translation: 'Sportsman's Knife This knife is quite large. ANTON WINGEN JR manufacturer name, and is made in Solingen, Germany. This manufacturer, and now you know better OTHELLO (Othello) is known by the name says. Large and small blades, saws, Korukusukuryuu, Rezabora, serrated, Batendaburedo, in front of the tractor is attached extract of shotgun pellets. Sutagguhandoru, and bolster people around the individual is indeed part of "Made in Germany" are more like well-built and built, and heavy atmosphere.' Funnily enough, I found the page while looking to ID another folder made by OTHELLO. It does seem to indicate that this exact 'model' was made back to the early part of the century. If the steel wasn't stainless I'd have placed it to first quarter straight away. Regards Gene |
|
5th October 2009, 09:59 PM | #30 |
Member
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Kent
Posts: 2,653
|
Hi Gene,
thanks for that. As to the REMANIT as has already been stated, is an alloy of stainless. It was originally named and manufactured by Thyssen Edelstahlwerke AG (a German company). I cannot find the 'time period' when Remanit was first produced though All the best David |
|
|