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selamat pagi !
I just bought a keris, seems be bugis style and old, the scabbard have some writings in arabic and some chabalistic signs (jawi ??), the seller told me it's platina metal on, what do you think about it ? I'll receive it next week, that's the sellers pic. Gaëtan |
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Hello Gaetan,
the sheath and hilt look like a Central-Sumatra (Siak, Riau). Blade is rather crude, if you have some luck the sheath could be low percent silver. I have serious doubts there would be oversheaths made from platinum at all. |
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Thanks Gustav,
The seller sold me for 390 euros, is it a correct price ? |
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Could we see some closer pictures of the blade, please (when you get it) ?
![]() A close-up of the hilt would be nice too . The dress is most unusual and is probably silver plated . A tour de force of overlay work and repousse . The price one pays for something is often a reflection of how much they desire it . ![]() If it is Silver, all the better . ![]() Last edited by Rick; 7th March 2012 at 02:20 PM. |
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Platinum is almost as expensive as gold. So this can not be Platinum. (sorry
![]() If it is platinum, please give me the sellers name, and I will buy all his stock and stop working ![]() It does not look like silver either. probably some nickel alloy. But in the end, it is not the material that is important. You must like the keris and be happy with it. My favourite keris are dressed in wood with hardly any silver to it. ![]() Best regards, Willem |
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Well, I was attracted by the back with the inscriptions and I like the bugis scabbard style
i'll post pics when I'll receive it. Terima Kasih !! |
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Hello Gaetan,
I saw this kris on a French Internet site and contacted the seller. I think that he did not mean that the sheath is made from or contains any platinum but that it is plated; he quoted vermeil (gold-plated silver) if I remember well, although there is no trace of gold as well. The blade looks a rough Bugis one to me, see the kembang kacang carved out from the gandik especially. From memory the seller said that the piece was originally purchased in the seventies and I am somewhat optimistic that the sheath is made from silver alloy, you will check upon receipt how it reacts to a silver cleaning cloth, if it remains dull then it is not silver..... Regards |
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Silver is very easy to test.
You simply buy a little bottle of silver test fluid from a jewelers supply house, it will cost a few dollars. You scratch the surface of the metal clean in a spot where it won't be noticed and apply a drop of the fluid. If the metal turns red, you have silver. If the drop stays brown or yellow you have something else. Beats agonising over whether something is silver or not. Incidentally, silver has become horribly expensive during the past couple of years. It really pays to know whether something truly is silver, particularly something as big as this keris dress. |
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Hello Alan,
Thanks for the tip. Indeed the raw silver prices increased 7 fold (from about 5$ to 35$/oz) in 10 years! Regards |
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By the way please compare this kris with the one shown by Marcokeris in the thread "Sulawesi (Toraja)? keris" dated 4th December 2010, I think that they bear some similarities.
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@ JEAN, effectivement, je me suis trompé:
"fourreau en bois recouvert d'argent doré selon les spécialistes, très belle qualité lame damasquinée en moins bon état que le fourreau" I was mistaken, the seller was talking about golden plated silver... |
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Hello, I receive the Keris here are some pics
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Hello,
I've been to a jeweller, he sand a little part the scabbard and told to me it is made of silver. He told meThe light gold coulour is due to a gold bath with local "homemade" methods. cause of the increase of silver and artwork, he said the price I paid id good, he estimates the value around 2000 euros coz of the value of silver and the artwork. H estimated it's not an antique piece but a nice copy. the kabbalistic signs are maybe the astrological them of the first owner; the arab writings are the names of Mohamed companions. |
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Ouch, the silver pieces look expensive in France!
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The value estimated by the jeweller is probably based on western wages.
Worksmen in Indonesia are slightly cheaper. ![]() Ps, the keris does look better than on the sellers pictures. But the artwork is not of a high standard imho ![]() |
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The jeweller told to me the price of silver increased a lot and even prices aren't the same in Asia, he took a calculator with the estimate weight of the sheet of silver on keris and showed me a certain value with the cost of the artwork, he explained the different gold plated methods and blade fabrications, it seems have a certain experience, he told me he is now retired and served in the french commandos in Algeria but he had a critical view about the fabrication, found a little suspect the colour at the biginning and finally, he told me I haven't loose my money.
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