shillelaghs

pallas · 1st February 2010, 09:22 PM

an underappricated weapon to be sure..........does anyone have/have seen one from before the 1700's? ive never seen one older thean the mid 1800s......and how much truth is there to the origination story of the weapon, that it came into use after the anglo-norman conquest in the 1200s when the barons forbade the irish from carrying swords/lances......

Queequeg · 1st February 2010, 11:25 PM

pallas,

I don't know of any from the 1700s that are still around.

As a fellow shillelagh lover, however, I did start a couple of threads on the subject which you might like.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=8823

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=10304

Hope you enjoy.

-Queequeg

VANDOO · 3rd February 2010, 08:34 PM

YOU CAN BE SURE THE IRISH HAD CLUBS LONG BEFORE 1700. WHAT THEY MAY HAVE BEEN CALLED BACK THEN WHO KNOWS

CLUBS HAVE A LONG HISTORY IN ALL CULTURES NOTE THAT ONE OF THE FIRST GREAT HEROS WAS HERCULES WHO'S FAVORITE WEAPON AND THE ONE ASSOCIATED WITH HIM WAS A CLUB.
EVIDENTLY THERE WERE THREE SIZES OF SHILLELAGHS A LONG, MEDIUM AND SHORT, UNFORTUNATELY I DON'T KNOW THE LEGNTHS OR USES PERHAPS THE SHORT WAS A THROWING CLUB. I HAVE SEEN SOME SHORT ONES MADE FROM A LARGE LIMB FORMING THE HEAD WITH A SMALLER BRANCH FORMING THE HANDLE. THESE RESEMBLE A MALLET AND ARE SOMETIMES ROUNDED BUT OFTEN ARE LEFT FLAT AS WHEN CUT. I HAVEN'T MADE ANY OR THROWN THE FEW I HAVE SEEN SO DON'T KNOW HOW WELL THEY WOULD WORK. THE DESIGN WOULD GIVE GOOD WEIGHT AND LEVERAGE FOR A HARD THROW AND STRIKE AS WITH OTHER THROWN CLUBS. ACCURACY WOULD DEPEND SOME ON THE CLUBS BALANCE BUT MOSTLY ON THE ABILITY OF THE THROWER.
I WILL ADD SOME PIC'S OF FIJI ROOTSTOCK CLUBS JUST FOR A BIT OF SPICE.

THE CONSTRUCTION AND USE BEING SIMULAR TO MANY FORMS OF CLUB INCLUDING THOSE FROM IRELAND. TWO PIC'S ARE OF THE LONG ROOTSTOCK CLUBS AND ONE PICTURE IS OF THE SHORT THROWING CLUB OR ULLA.

1st February 2010, 09:22 PM	#1
pallas Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 53	shillelaghs an underappricated weapon to be sure..........does anyone have/have seen one from before the 1700's? ive never seen one older thean the mid 1800s......and how much truth is there to the origination story of the weapon, that it came into use after the anglo-norman conquest in the 1200s when the barons forbade the irish from carrying swords/lances......

3rd February 2010, 08:34 PM	#3
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	YOU CAN BE SURE THE IRISH HAD CLUBS LONG BEFORE 1700. WHAT THEY MAY HAVE BEEN CALLED BACK THEN WHO KNOWS CLUBS HAVE A LONG HISTORY IN ALL CULTURES NOTE THAT ONE OF THE FIRST GREAT HEROS WAS HERCULES WHO'S FAVORITE WEAPON AND THE ONE ASSOCIATED WITH HIM WAS A CLUB. EVIDENTLY THERE WERE THREE SIZES OF SHILLELAGHS A LONG, MEDIUM AND SHORT, UNFORTUNATELY I DON'T KNOW THE LEGNTHS OR USES PERHAPS THE SHORT WAS A THROWING CLUB. I HAVE SEEN SOME SHORT ONES MADE FROM A LARGE LIMB FORMING THE HEAD WITH A SMALLER BRANCH FORMING THE HANDLE. THESE RESEMBLE A MALLET AND ARE SOMETIMES ROUNDED BUT OFTEN ARE LEFT FLAT AS WHEN CUT. I HAVEN'T MADE ANY OR THROWN THE FEW I HAVE SEEN SO DON'T KNOW HOW WELL THEY WOULD WORK. THE DESIGN WOULD GIVE GOOD WEIGHT AND LEVERAGE FOR A HARD THROW AND STRIKE AS WITH OTHER THROWN CLUBS. ACCURACY WOULD DEPEND SOME ON THE CLUBS BALANCE BUT MOSTLY ON THE ABILITY OF THE THROWER. I WILL ADD SOME PIC'S OF FIJI ROOTSTOCK CLUBS JUST FOR A BIT OF SPICE. THE CONSTRUCTION AND USE BEING SIMULAR TO MANY FORMS OF CLUB INCLUDING THOSE FROM IRELAND. TWO PIC'S ARE OF THE LONG ROOTSTOCK CLUBS AND ONE PICTURE IS OF THE SHORT THROWING CLUB OR ULLA. Attached Images

1st February 2010, 11:25 PM	#2
Queequeg Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Detroit (New Mayapan) Posts: 96	pallas, I don't know of any from the 1700s that are still around. As a fellow shillelagh lover, however, I did start a couple of threads on the subject which you might like. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=8823 http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=10304 Hope you enjoy. -Queequeg