Ivory hilted Kris on ebay

zamboanga · 11th December 2005, 04:57 AM

http://cgi.ebay.com/Philippine-Moro-...QQcmdZViewItem

Wow... As we say in Zamboanga "maka pacha suegra." Worth kicking your mother in-law. just kidding.

Spunjer · 11th December 2005, 11:31 AM

yeah, you got that right: W W!!! excellent piece, tho. complete, with all the trimmings. but at $1850.00? i guess, if i had that much dinero too....

here's one that i didn't quite understand:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWA%3AIT&rd=1
for $500.00 tho? it's nice and all, but not at that price. i reckon bidder's depression kicked in...

and to think that he was offered $2000.00 for both before the bidding was over, lol... that was too funny

BluErf · 11th December 2005, 12:43 PM

For a given quality, flashy krises and kerises always fetch more, I guess.

Spunjer · 11th December 2005, 01:20 PM

...IMHO good presentation by the seller helped out a lot, too. i remember there was an ivory hilted kris that came out about 6 or so month ago, and it 'only' went for $750.00...

still shaking my head on the other kris, tho...

BluErf · 11th December 2005, 01:28 PM

Oh yes, the pictures are very important. They can make good pieces look dull, or make mediocre pieces look like a thousand.

But sometimes, we pray for bad pictures because then, experience comes into play and there is usually less competition.

But of course, even experienced collectors get tripped sometimes.

Battara · 12th December 2005, 07:59 AM

BluErf, that did happen to me one year and, well, look at my avatar.

tagalanao · 12th December 2005, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Battara

BluErf, that did happen to me one year and, well, look at my avatar.

Battara, how much did you pay for it? The way that ivory kris auction closed, I'm beginning to feel there's one really lucky forumite who got this blade from me off ebay a few months back ...

Ian · 12th December 2005, 10:40 PM

Here's another one that just finished.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=6586241323

Someone got a real bargain compared with yesterday's extravaganza.

Only $1576.00 plus S&H.

Rick · 12th December 2005, 11:31 PM

It's only a hunk of ivory folks ,not even a scabbard ; move along ......

Battara · 13th December 2005, 01:17 AM

Well, Tagalanao, years ago I paid around $250-300.00 on eBay (would have to go back to my records to find the correct amount). It was without scabbard and a 1920s blade. I tested the material and it is swaasa and silver bands with ivory. I have since made a scabbard for it, also with silver and swaasa bands.

The one you posted is really nice and it looks like there are swaasa and silver bands as well.

By the way, here are pictures of the scabbard and hilt just for fun

(I'll look for a closeup of one of the bands and post later):

Battara · 13th December 2005, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Rick

It's only a hunk of ivory folks ,not even a scabbard ; move along ......

But Rick, it's so nice and shiney.

Never mind not having the money at this time (

), the only thing that bothers me about this barong is the style - no beak.

VANDOO · 13th December 2005, 02:30 AM

YEP!! TIME TO MOVE ON THOSE TWO ITEMS HAVE CROSSED OVER FROM ETHINOGRAPHIC WEAPON TO THE ART INVESTMENT SIDE AND THE AIR IS WAY TOO THIN UP THERE FOR ME. THEY WERE PRETTY AND SHINEY THOUGH

Rick · 13th December 2005, 02:37 AM

I was wondering about the lack o' beak myself , hmmmmmmm ...

Oh yeah , I'll never have that kind of money to blow .

Bill · 13th December 2005, 04:05 AM

I was going to bid on this one: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...e=STRK:MEWA:IT ; nice old piece. Don't worry about the beak, the whole pummel is gone; could of been ivory at one time, but still went for a good buck.

Ian · 13th December 2005, 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Rick

I was wondering about the lack o' beak myself , hmmmmmmm ...

I think it is intact, Rick. Just one of the more minimal kakatua in terms of the beak. Must say it is a nice piece of ivory carving.

zamboanga · 13th December 2005, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill

I was going to bid on this one: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...e=STRK:MEWA:IT ; nice old piece. Don't worry about the beak, the whole pummel is gone; could of been ivory at one time, but still went for a good buck.

Nice shandigan blade. IMHO the pommel could not have been ivory. it wouldn't have been a match to the brass ferrule. Just my opinion though.

zelbone · 13th December 2005, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by zamboanga

Nice shandigan blade. IMHO the pommel could not have been ivory. it wouldn't have been a match to the brass ferrule. Just my opinion though.

I put a bid on that barung, but didn't want to pay more for something that wasn't fully intact. I'm surprised that it went for so much. Anyways, I'm with you that it couldn't have been ivory. If I had won that barung, I would have had a new pommel carved out of carabao horn to compliment the brass punto. Carabao horn would have been more appropriate than ivory in this case IMHO.

BluErf · 13th December 2005, 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

Well, Tagalanao, years ago I paid around $250-300.00 on eBay (would have to go back to my records to find the correct amount).

You lucky guy!

I don't even want to remind myself of the amount I paid for my Mindanao kris...

kino · 13th December 2005, 01:30 PM

IMO, the ivory hilted Barung's beak had broken off and had been reshaped. It looks off balance with a large plume (0.02).

VVV · 13th December 2005, 01:53 PM

Kino,
I asked the seller about it but he sent me a picture that didn't show any signs of a break. Maybe it broke off a long time ago?
Anyway I also think it looks unbalanced no matter what.

Michael

Spunjer · 13th December 2005, 04:50 PM

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I put a bid on that barung, but didn't want to pay more for something that wasn't fully intact. I'm surprised that it went for so much. Anyways, I'm with you that it couldn't have been ivory. If I had won that barung, I would have had a new pommel carved out of carabao horn to compliment the brass punto. Carabao horn would have been more appropriate than ivory in this case IMHO.

wow! forgot all about this one, lol. junggayan barung hypnotized me. yup, it did go for a pretty penny for something that's not complete. as for an ivory pommel, i was checking cato's book and found this one on page 35 (plate 17). it look sharp with ivory cap, but like you said zel, with the brass punto (or is it?), i and i thinks karrbaw horn would look even sharper...

as for the ivory; it prolly broke in its early years and was worked on to blend with the rest...

Battara · 14th December 2005, 12:32 AM

Of course, if it had an ivory beak, it could have gone for $2000.

VANDOO - art investment? Hadn't thought of that.

BluErf - I was very lucky. The pictures were terrible and thus I was the only one bidding on it. Yet I could see the potential beyond the pictures and asked for extra emailed pictures.

I also agree with the other barung being not of ivory. Silver at most but probably horn or brass.

Battara · 15th December 2005, 06:31 AM

Here is the promised closeup of a portion of the scabbard for my ivory-swaasa-silver kris:

Spunjer · 15th December 2005, 07:04 PM

nice crosspiece, battara... what type of wood is it?

Battara · 16th December 2005, 04:38 AM

Thank you Spunger. The crosspiece is solid burled walnut root wood.

Ian · 19th December 2005, 05:44 PM

Not ivory, but went for a lot more than I thought it would.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=6588132924

Rick · 19th December 2005, 07:53 PM

Now that IS interesting ; bidding war perhaps ?
I see nothing very unusual about this sword ; anyone else ?

nechesh · 19th December 2005, 09:07 PM

Wow Ian, that does seem a bit much. I literally have this kris' identical twin ( my blade is only 21 1/2"). I paid $235 for it just 6 months ago and my sheath is both intact and original to the blade. BTW, mine was not an ebay auction.

Ian · 19th December 2005, 09:31 PM

Rick: I don't see anything special about this one -- somewhat unusual hilt maybe, but otherwise not very old and not very interesting.

David: You paid about what I would expect this one to have gone for. I guess someone was in the holiday spirit, or had a little too much holiday spirit.

You may have a sale to the unlucky bidder who missed out on this one.

Battara · 20th December 2005, 06:17 AM

Yeah I'm with you guys on this latest one: nothing spectacular about it, certainly not $500 worth. Nechesh you paid right for yours.

I thought Moro leveled out - this shows otherwise (or just a bidding war

).

11th December 2005, 04:57 AM	#1
zamboanga Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: zamboanga city, philippines Posts: 132	Ivory hilted Kris on ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/Philippine-Moro-...QQcmdZViewItem Wow... As we say in Zamboanga "maka pacha suegra." Worth kicking your mother in-law. just kidding.

12th December 2005, 10:40 PM	#8
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,197	Another ivory kris ... Here's another one that just finished. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=6586241323 Someone got a real bargain compared with yesterday's extravaganza. Only $1576.00 plus S&H.

13th December 2005, 01:17 AM	#10
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,219	Well, Tagalanao, years ago I paid around $250-300.00 on eBay (would have to go back to my records to find the correct amount). It was without scabbard and a 1920s blade. I tested the material and it is swaasa and silver bands with ivory. I have since made a scabbard for it, also with silver and swaasa bands. The one you posted is really nice and it looks like there are swaasa and silver bands as well. By the way, here are pictures of the scabbard and hilt just for fun (I'll look for a closeup of one of the bands and post later): Attached Images

15th December 2005, 06:31 AM	#23
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,219	Here is the promised closeup of a portion of the scabbard for my ivory-swaasa-silver kris: Attached Images

19th December 2005, 05:44 PM	#26
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,197	My, my ... Not ivory, but went for a lot more than I thought it would. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=6588132924

11th December 2005, 11:31 AM	#2
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	yeah, you got that right: W W!!! excellent piece, tho. complete, with all the trimmings. but at $1850.00? i guess, if i had that much dinero too.... here's one that i didn't quite understand: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWA%3AIT&rd=1 for $500.00 tho? it's nice and all, but not at that price. i reckon bidder's depression kicked in... and to think that he was offered $2000.00 for both before the bidding was over, lol... that was too funny

11th December 2005, 12:43 PM	#3
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	For a given quality, flashy krises and kerises always fetch more, I guess.

11th December 2005, 01:20 PM	#4
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	...IMHO good presentation by the seller helped out a lot, too. i remember there was an ivory hilted kris that came out about 6 or so month ago, and it 'only' went for $750.00... still shaking my head on the other kris, tho...

11th December 2005, 01:28 PM	#5
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	Oh yes, the pictures are very important. They can make good pieces look dull, or make mediocre pieces look like a thousand. But sometimes, we pray for bad pictures because then, experience comes into play and there is usually less competition. But of course, even experienced collectors get tripped sometimes.

12th December 2005, 07:59 AM	#6
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,219	BluErf, that did happen to me one year and, well, look at my avatar.

12th December 2005, 11:31 PM	#9
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,291	It's only a hunk of ivory folks ,not even a scabbard ; move along ......

13th December 2005, 02:30 AM	#12
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	YEP!! TIME TO MOVE ON THOSE TWO ITEMS HAVE CROSSED OVER FROM ETHINOGRAPHIC WEAPON TO THE ART INVESTMENT SIDE AND THE AIR IS WAY TOO THIN UP THERE FOR ME. THEY WERE PRETTY AND SHINEY THOUGH

13th December 2005, 02:37 AM	#13
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,291	I was wondering about the lack o' beak myself , hmmmmmmm ... Oh yeah , I'll never have that kind of money to blow .

13th December 2005, 04:05 AM	#14
Bill Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Chicago area Posts: 327	I was going to bid on this one: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...e=STRK:MEWA:IT ; nice old piece. Don't worry about the beak, the whole pummel is gone; could of been ivory at one time, but still went for a good buck.

13th December 2005, 01:30 PM	#19
kino Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,002	IMO, the ivory hilted Barung's beak had broken off and had been reshaped. It looks off balance with a large plume (0.02).

13th December 2005, 01:53 PM	#20
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Kino, I asked the seller about it but he sent me a picture that didn't show any signs of a break. Maybe it broke off a long time ago? Anyway I also think it looks unbalanced no matter what. Michael

14th December 2005, 12:32 AM	#22
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,219	Of course, if it had an ivory beak, it could have gone for $2000. VANDOO - art investment? Hadn't thought of that. BluErf - I was very lucky. The pictures were terrible and thus I was the only one bidding on it. Yet I could see the potential beyond the pictures and asked for extra emailed pictures. I also agree with the other barung being not of ivory. Silver at most but probably horn or brass.

15th December 2005, 07:04 PM	#24
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	nice crosspiece, battara... what type of wood is it?

16th December 2005, 04:38 AM	#25
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,219	Thank you Spunger. The crosspiece is solid burled walnut root wood.

19th December 2005, 07:53 PM	#27
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,291	Now that IS interesting ; bidding war perhaps ? I see nothing very unusual about this sword ; anyone else ?

19th December 2005, 09:07 PM	#28
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	Wow Ian, that does seem a bit much. I literally have this kris' identical twin ( my blade is only 21 1/2"). I paid $235 for it just 6 months ago and my sheath is both intact and original to the blade. BTW, mine was not an ebay auction.

19th December 2005, 09:31 PM	#29
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,197	Rick: I don't see anything special about this one -- somewhat unusual hilt maybe, but otherwise not very old and not very interesting. David: You paid about what I would expect this one to have gone for. I guess someone was in the holiday spirit, or had a little too much holiday spirit. You may have a sale to the unlucky bidder who missed out on this one.

20th December 2005, 06:17 AM	#30
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,219	Yeah I'm with you guys on this latest one: nothing spectacular about it, certainly not $500 worth. Nechesh you paid right for yours. I thought Moro leveled out - this shows otherwise (or just a bidding war ).