small mini madura keris / comments please

asomotif · 18th July 2007, 04:28 PM

Any comments on this small madura keris ?

The blade is 14 cms. hilt approx 7 cms / scabbard 30 cms
scabbard is made from one piece.
Blade has a peksi and separate ganja, it has pamor.

But some strange protrusion near the hilt. never seen these before.

David · 18th July 2007, 04:38 PM

I don't personally understand the re-visioning of a keris in this manner and AFAIK this is not a dahpur that fits into any known pakem. Perhaps someone else knows otherwise. Whenever i see a keris cut up in this manner i always cringe a bit, but maybe there is some purpose for this that i do not understand.

I guess this is a patrem, but the dress seems too large for one.

Lew · 18th July 2007, 04:52 PM

David

I think it is a sample of free hand artistic liberty

This just inspires me to break out the old jewelers saw and go a bit crazy on some of my old keris blades

The keris seems more recently made and a bit touristy to me.

Lew

Battara · 18th July 2007, 05:16 PM

And not to mention the hilt with artistic license!

Henk · 18th July 2007, 06:49 PM

The dress of this keris is made after old examples. Wrangka with the winged horse and crown and the floral motivs on the gandar. Same for the ukiran.

The keris itself is what Lew said. Recently made and a rough made dapur. Just like you see with old blades reshaped in a trident. The reshape of those blades is often done with more craftmanship.

I'm afraid this is a very recent tourist thing.

Rick · 18th July 2007, 07:51 PM

It's a half decent Gabilan dress; might make a good home for a full size blade .

A. G. Maisey · 18th July 2007, 11:53 PM

Yes, I agree that we are looking at a non-traditional form, however, based upon what I can see in these images I am of the opinion that this keris possibly dates from around the 1930's or at latest, early 1960's.

It is not very recent, as in being a part of the revival of keris culture that occurred after the late 1970's.

asomotif · 19th July 2007, 08:43 AM

Thanks for the comments.

The pictures don't bring out the best of the wood carving and patina.
I am quite sure it is not a recent made piece.
Maybe the newly added picture gives a better impression.

But I already feared that the blade was indeed someones western creativity with the saw.

A. G. Maisey · 19th July 2007, 08:58 AM

Very unlikely that the hand of western creativity dabbled in this.

A few years ago, this type of butchery was not uncommon in keris destined for the souvenir market.

asomotif · 19th July 2007, 02:22 PM

Thanks again.

Butchery it is indeed

18th July 2007, 04:28 PM	#1
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,224	small mini madura keris / comments please Any comments on this small madura keris ? The blade is 14 cms. hilt approx 7 cms / scabbard 30 cms scabbard is made from one piece. Blade has a peksi and separate ganja, it has pamor. But some strange protrusion near the hilt. never seen these before. Attached Images

19th July 2007, 08:43 AM	#8
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,224	Thanks for the comments. The pictures don't bring out the best of the wood carving and patina. I am quite sure it is not a recent made piece. Maybe the newly added picture gives a better impression. But I already feared that the blade was indeed someones western creativity with the saw. Attached Images

18th July 2007, 04:38 PM	#2
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,101	I don't personally understand the re-visioning of a keris in this manner and AFAIK this is not a dahpur that fits into any known pakem. Perhaps someone else knows otherwise. Whenever i see a keris cut up in this manner i always cringe a bit, but maybe there is some purpose for this that i do not understand. I guess this is a patrem, but the dress seems too large for one.

18th July 2007, 04:52 PM	#3
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	David I think it is a sample of free hand artistic liberty This just inspires me to break out the old jewelers saw and go a bit crazy on some of my old keris blades The keris seems more recently made and a bit touristy to me. Lew

18th July 2007, 05:16 PM	#4
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,200	And not to mention the hilt with artistic license!

18th July 2007, 06:49 PM	#5
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	The dress of this keris is made after old examples. Wrangka with the winged horse and crown and the floral motivs on the gandar. Same for the ukiran. The keris itself is what Lew said. Recently made and a rough made dapur. Just like you see with old blades reshaped in a trident. The reshape of those blades is often done with more craftmanship. I'm afraid this is a very recent tourist thing.

18th July 2007, 07:51 PM	#6
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,288	It's a half decent Gabilan dress; might make a good home for a full size blade .

18th July 2007, 11:53 PM	#7
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,857	Yes, I agree that we are looking at a non-traditional form, however, based upon what I can see in these images I am of the opinion that this keris possibly dates from around the 1930's or at latest, early 1960's. It is not very recent, as in being a part of the revival of keris culture that occurred after the late 1970's.

19th July 2007, 08:58 AM	#9
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,857	Very unlikely that the hand of western creativity dabbled in this. A few years ago, this type of butchery was not uncommon in keris destined for the souvenir market.

19th July 2007, 02:22 PM	#10
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,224	Thanks again. Butchery it is indeed