Long Philp. Blade

mross · 2nd June 2014, 02:23 PM

Picked this up on ebay:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Old-Very-Lon...#ht_448wt_1362

I have never seen one this size. What do you all think?

Sajen · 2nd June 2014, 02:40 PM

Look good and authentic, have seen this also. Let's wait what the experts think about it.

Regards,
Detlef

Battara · 3rd June 2014, 12:17 AM

It is enormous! I held this in hand before at Jimmy Manteris' table. A later piece, perhaps 1950s?

Robert · 3rd June 2014, 02:22 AM

I am going to agree with Jose on this, definately a later piece.

RSWORD · 3rd June 2014, 03:21 AM

Like Jose, I also held this behemoth at the gun show and it is the longest sword of this handle type and period I have ever seen. Good solid heavy blade so I think the buyer should be pleased with it.

mross · 3rd June 2014, 04:09 PM

I do not know enough to date it so I will defer to Jose. I have several others of this blade, guard and handle style. They are similar to the point they could have been made by the same person. Like you all noticed the only difference is this one is HUGE. It is the length of a KP although much lighter and therefore faster. I saw it and had to get it just for the uniqueness of the size. It is very well made with a distal taper. The blade has a slight bend near the tip that can be easily straitened. All in all I was very pleased. Has anyone ever encounter this type at this length before?

ThePepperSkull · 5th June 2014, 06:20 PM

If I can find it, I will post the picture, but I remember reading either this forum or another one that had a post regarding an arnisador who preferred using a longer length (30+ inches) when fighting.

As someone who practices Arnis and Silat I can't imagine using a blade that long. I'd love to try though.

mross · 6th June 2014, 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThePepperSkull

If I can find it, I will post the picture, but I remember reading either this forum or another one that had a post regarding an arnisador who preferred using a longer length (30+ inches) when fighting.

As someone who practices Arnis and Silat I can't imagine using a blade that long. I'd love to try though.

I would very much like to see that. I was experimenting myself with it and its normal size brother. It would make a very formidable set, very similar to a rapier and dagger. I was trying to use the crossada in the Espada “Y” Daga (it’s also very possible I mangled the terminology as it has been years) style though I am way out of practice, and I do not know rapier and dagger.

mross · 6th June 2014, 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThePepperSkull

If I can find it, I will post the picture, but I remember reading either this forum or another one that had a post regarding an arnisador who preferred using a longer length (30+ inches) when fighting.

As someone who practices Arnis and Silat I can't imagine using a blade that long. I'd love to try though.

I would very much like to see that. I was experimenting myself with it and its normal size brother. It would make a very formidable set, very similar to a rapier and dagger. I was trying to use the crossada in the Espada “Y” Daga (it’s also very possible I mangled the terminology as it has been years) style though I am way out of practice, and I do not know rapier and dagger.

blindside · 10th June 2014, 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThePepperSkull

If I can find it, I will post the picture, but I remember reading either this forum or another one that had a post regarding an arnisador who preferred using a longer length (30+ inches) when fighting.

As someone who practices Arnis and Silat I can't imagine using a blade that long. I'd love to try though.

I think I have seen the picture, it was Leo Giron, and I believe there is footage of one of his son demoing its use. I think the total length was 3 feet (36").

and footage:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiLNVMmjXKs

Battara · 11th June 2014, 01:21 AM

I am aware of one Tagalog form of escrima that uses a very long itak.........

ThePepperSkull · 14th June 2014, 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blindside

I think I have seen the picture, it was Leo Giron, and I believe there is footage of one of his son demoing its use. I think the total length was 3 feet (36").

and footage:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiLNVMmjXKs

Thanks! with the name, I found the post where I first saw the pic with some info as well:

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...9&postcount=15

2nd June 2014, 02:23 PM	#1
mross Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 478	Long Philp. Blade Picked this up on ebay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Old-Very-Lon...#ht_448wt_1362 I have never seen one this size. What do you all think?

2nd June 2014, 02:40 PM	#2
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,761	Look good and authentic, have seen this also. Let's wait what the experts think about it. Regards, Detlef

3rd June 2014, 12:17 AM	#3
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,217	It is enormous! I held this in hand before at Jimmy Manteris' table. A later piece, perhaps 1950s?

3rd June 2014, 02:22 AM	#4
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	I am going to agree with Jose on this, definately a later piece.

3rd June 2014, 03:21 AM	#5
RSWORD Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 1,083	Like Jose, I also held this behemoth at the gun show and it is the longest sword of this handle type and period I have ever seen. Good solid heavy blade so I think the buyer should be pleased with it.

3rd June 2014, 04:09 PM	#6
mross Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 478	I do not know enough to date it so I will defer to Jose. I have several others of this blade, guard and handle style. They are similar to the point they could have been made by the same person. Like you all noticed the only difference is this one is HUGE. It is the length of a KP although much lighter and therefore faster. I saw it and had to get it just for the uniqueness of the size. It is very well made with a distal taper. The blade has a slight bend near the tip that can be easily straitened. All in all I was very pleased. Has anyone ever encounter this type at this length before?

5th June 2014, 06:20 PM	#7
ThePepperSkull Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 338	If I can find it, I will post the picture, but I remember reading either this forum or another one that had a post regarding an arnisador who preferred using a longer length (30+ inches) when fighting. As someone who practices Arnis and Silat I can't imagine using a blade that long. I'd love to try though.

11th June 2014, 01:21 AM	#11
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,217	I am aware of one Tagalog form of escrima that uses a very long itak.........