A swept hilt sword for Christmas

[fernando]

This one has just been reserved, to be with me before Christmas
I hesitate between calling it a sword or a rapier; the 30 mm blade (1,18") is a bit wide for a rapier ... before a better opinnion.
Seller dates it XVI century; i wouldn't reject beg. XVII century ... again until a better opinnion.
One quillon only; no other one missing.
A beautiful counter balance pommel.
Double edged blade length 93 cms (36,5").
Grip wiring restored in the XIX century.
Origin would be central Europe.
The fainted mark on the blade seems to be of these generical symbolic symbols ?!
Gentlemen, please tell me what you think.
Fernando

Ah, a rather important detail; seems to me this is a left hander ... which would make it a bit more rare. Besides, i am a (circumstancial) left hander myself .
Can anyone confirm this?

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[kisak]

I agree on the left handed part, there's something sinister about it... Or rather I base it on where the side ring and counterguards are placed.

[katana]

Nice sword Fernando,
(got 'bored' with little cannons then ) ...the markings look like a variant of the 'eyelash' mark ...it even has the 3 dot grouping often seen with this marking. Can't help with the blade ID though

Kind Regards David

[Jim McDougall]

What a beauty Fernando!!! Merry Christmas
These are I believe generally termed swept hilt rapiers, although with these heavier blades were more arming swords with military application. I think your date range is pretty well placed, and I would consider 17th century quite likely. The faceted bulbous pommel corresponds closely to an English type of c. 1630's (#77, A.V.B.Norman).
The markings are difficult to see clearly as the contrast between the bright cleaned area and age pitting have obscured the definition, but the parallel sickle marks with the well known three dots are clear, as observed by David.


This assymetrical hilt style is essentially Italian, and is seen on numbers of variants which include early styles of schiavona. I have a schiavona which has this distinct assymetric form in the hilt, and actually dates end of the 18th century, the tradition carried forward.
Norman notes that the style was during 16th century, but was present as early as late 15th.....with revival in the 17th.

To me these markings in an unusual completely parallel rather than opposed configuration suggest this blade is likely Italian and 17th century, probably early, rather than the Styrian blades often with 'sickle' marks and later.
The wider scope of variation in my opinion indicates the actual application of these as used by bladesmiths in compliance with guild ordinances, than the more familiar pattern of sickle marks applied spuriously on trade blades.

Congratulations Fernando on your new adoption!!!

All best regards,
Jim

[fernando]

Thanks a lot for your input, guys.
Much obliged for the treatise on these things, Jim.
Looking ar Norman's, instead of having managed to 'select' one of his pommel types, my eyes fell on sword of plate 19, (between pages 112-113), where a pommel similar to mine (?) is mounted. Such sword is dated second quarter XVI century.
You will pardon me, but i decided to (also) consult the 'competition' (MyArmoury). The opinnion is that the blade of my rapier corresponds to Oakeshott type XIX , and would be dated around 1590.
It was also confirmed that it is a left hander. I am surprised that the (knowledged) seller didn't point out this detail, like most would do. Something that wouldn't be worth of note to many, but indeed an added value in collecting termns, in my understanding.
Fernando

[fernando]

Ah, i would like to mention, for general perusal that, these hilts in Portugal (an Spain) are called 'lace' hilts ( Laço - Lazo).
I like this naming.
Fernando

[Jim McDougall]

Originally Posted by fernando

Thanks a lot for your input, guys.
Much obliged for the treatise on these things, Jim.
Looking ar Norman's, instead of having managed to 'select' one of his pommel types, my eyes fell on sword of plate 19, (between pages 112-113), where a pommel similar to mine (?) is mounted. Such sword is dated second quarter XVI century.
You will pardon me, but i decided to (also) consult the 'competition' (MyArmoury). The opinnion is that the blade of my rapier corresponds to Oakeshott type XIX , and would be dated around 1590.
It was also confirmed that it is a left hander. I am surprised that the (knowledged) seller didn't point out this detail, like most would do. Something that wouldn't be worth of note to many, but indeed an added value in collecting termns, in my understanding.
Fernando

Good call on checking 'My Armoury', with some very useful resources, and the notes in Oakeshott and left hander info Fernando. This is indeed good support strengthening the earlier date, which well corresponds to the unusual configuration of these 'sickle marks'. Outstanding !!!!


All the best,
Jim

[fernando]

I got the thing well before christmas; but only had a quick look and wraped it back to add to the gifts pile.
Now i can handle it. A considerable weight (1,300 Kg.) ... at least for me, being no Tarzan. Edges rather sharp. Beautiful pommel.
... And indeed a left hander .
I know nothing about (these) swords, but something in its swept enhance reminds me of certain Schianovas .
This to say that this specimen would indeed be Italian.

Fernando

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[cornelistromp]

Hi Fernando,

congratulations with your very nice and extremely rare early rapier.
I specialy really love it because Im a lefthander myself

I found a similair one, a ground find in Holland. It is dated 1560-1570 and probably Dutch.
I also think your rapier is of the third quarter of the 16thC.

best regards

[fernando]

Thank you so much for your input, Cornelis .
Ik waardeer het werkelijk .
I am so pleased to see a sword with a design similar to mine!
Now i have a point of reference.
Thanks once again.
Fernando