Keris Salayer ?

henri · 16th April 2012, 07:19 AM

Dear members ,
I would like to get your opinions for this keris .
Different possibilities and very confusing .
The blade fit perfectly into the sheath so looks like both originals .
Some say that could be Salayer on South Celebes ( hilt and blade shape without pamor ) , some Malaysian or Sumatran for the sheath half moon and the the inlaid blade other West coast of Borneo for the hilt ...
Thank you

Henri

henri · 16th April 2012, 07:20 AM

more photos

Alam Shah · 16th April 2012, 07:44 AM

Hi Henri, interesting ensemble you've got there. The hilt is uniquely Salayar, "Pangulu Le'ngo" (le'nga) form, as it's called by the locals. The interesting keris blade, I cannot confirm. The hilt cup (pendokok, kili-kili) is Sumatran. The sari bulan sheath, may be Sumatran or Peninsular Malay to me. Overall a nice find, congrats!

dbhmgb · 16th April 2012, 11:24 AM

Indeed, a very nice keris. That hilt is quite fascinating!

asomotif · 16th April 2012, 12:01 PM

Lovely keris Henri.

The hilt is indeed very salayer.
But how would a salayer blade look like. is there a specific salayer blade style ?

Best regards,
Willem

kai · 16th April 2012, 05:24 PM

Nice grab for sure - congrats, Henri!

IMHO, the blade also seems to have a Straits feel to it. My best guess would be that this is a Sumatran/Straits keris that found its way into the hands of a Salayer/Selayer owner who decided to rehilt it according to local fashion. The pesi is weird though - has anyone disassembled a Selayer badik or two?

Regards,
Kai

Sajen · 16th April 2012, 07:29 PM

Hello Henri,

very good grab you have done with this keris! For the hilt you can look as well to this thread: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=badik

Agree with kai that the pesi is a little bit weird. BTW, I never have disassembled my Salayer badik and can't tell if the pesi is similar.

Again, a very interesting keris and I am a little bit green with envy!

Regards,

Detlef

asomotif · 17th April 2012, 06:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sajen

Agree with kai that the pesi is a little bit weird. BTW, I never have disassembled my Salayer badik and can't tell if the pesi is similar.

Again, a very interesting keris and I am a little bit green with envy!

Regards,

Detlef

I checked my salayer badek.
I am not going to remove the blade from the handel, but as far as I can see the blade appears to remain flattened into the handle.
So a flattened tang/pesi on the badek imho.

I agree on the "green with envy" part

henri · 17th April 2012, 11:30 AM

Thank you all for your inputs .
Kai is really close to my initial thoughts : a sumatran keris brought back to Salayer and re hilted according local fashion .

Regarding the hilt : cleaning is on the way but I removed the blade from the " juice " to take some photos of the pesi . Surprisingly a piece of metal was welded to the original ( to strengthen or to match the hilt ?) .... with an unsual goldish alloy ???? Never seen such metal used for welding .....

Henri

David · 17th April 2012, 01:56 PM

Well that is odd. Never seen anything quite like it.

Sajen · 17th April 2012, 03:11 PM

I think that the pesi was broken and someone repaired it like this and hard-solder a second piece of iron to the original pesi to aggravate it. Just MHO.

Regards,

Detlef

kai · 17th April 2012, 09:23 PM

Hello Henri,

This repair job to strengthen the remaining pesi explains the slightly offset tang position.

I doubt that this is Indonesian work though - possibly some European attempt at a pesi repair? We could use Alan's insight, I guess!

Regards,
Kai

dbhmgb · 17th April 2012, 10:40 PM

It's amazing how much better the wilah is already looking.

VVV · 18th April 2012, 06:13 AM

The pesi looks strange so you better keep the hilt on.
What fascinated me about it was the four petal flower which I haven't seen before on this kind of hilt. My keris hilt has leaves but the hilts on the badek doesn't.

Michael

henri · 18th April 2012, 07:45 AM

Nice one also Michael . May be mine was the local Florist ' s keris !

Could you please post a photo from the top showing the ganja fully inserted into the sheath ? It seems to be out of the wrangka .

Henri

kai · 18th April 2012, 08:56 AM

Yes, more pics, please, Michael!

VVV · 18th April 2012, 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by henri

Nice one also Michael . May be mine was the local Florist ' s keris ! [snip]
Henri

He, he, he

Actually mine is standing out of the scabbard, which is strongly U-shaped as
you can see.

Michael

Sajen · 18th April 2012, 09:43 AM

Wow, I am again green with envy!

Very nice keris Michael!

Regards,

Detlef

Gustav · 18th April 2012, 10:22 AM

There is an interesting discussion about this keris:

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=3334

16th April 2012, 07:19 AM	#1
henri Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Australia Posts: 81	Keris Salayer ? Dear members , I would like to get your opinions for this keris . Different possibilities and very confusing . The blade fit perfectly into the sheath so looks like both originals . Some say that could be Salayer on South Celebes ( hilt and blade shape without pamor ) , some Malaysian or Sumatran for the sheath half moon and the the inlaid blade other West coast of Borneo for the hilt ... Thank you Henri Attached Images

16th April 2012, 07:20 AM	#2
henri Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Australia Posts: 81	more photos Attached Images

17th April 2012, 11:30 AM	#9
henri Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Australia Posts: 81	Thank you all for your inputs . Kai is really close to my initial thoughts : a sumatran keris brought back to Salayer and re hilted according local fashion . Regarding the hilt : cleaning is on the way but I removed the blade from the " juice " to take some photos of the pesi . Surprisingly a piece of metal was welded to the original ( to strengthen or to match the hilt ?) .... with an unsual goldish alloy ???? Never seen such metal used for welding ..... Henri Attached Images

18th April 2012, 06:13 AM	#14
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	The pesi looks strange so you better keep the hilt on. What fascinated me about it was the four petal flower which I haven't seen before on this kind of hilt. My keris hilt has leaves but the hilts on the badek doesn't. Michael Attached Images

16th April 2012, 07:44 AM	#3
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Hi Henri, interesting ensemble you've got there. The hilt is uniquely Salayar, "Pangulu Le'ngo" (le'nga) form, as it's called by the locals. The interesting keris blade, I cannot confirm. The hilt cup (pendokok, kili-kili) is Sumatran. The sari bulan sheath, may be Sumatran or Peninsular Malay to me. Overall a nice find, congrats!

16th April 2012, 11:24 AM	#4
dbhmgb Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Maryland, USA Posts: 112	Indeed, a very nice keris. That hilt is quite fascinating!

16th April 2012, 12:01 PM	#5
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,224	Lovely keris Henri. The hilt is indeed very salayer. But how would a salayer blade look like. is there a specific salayer blade style ? Best regards, Willem

16th April 2012, 05:24 PM	#6
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,254	Nice grab for sure - congrats, Henri! IMHO, the blade also seems to have a Straits feel to it. My best guess would be that this is a Sumatran/Straits keris that found its way into the hands of a Salayer/Selayer owner who decided to rehilt it according to local fashion. The pesi is weird though - has anyone disassembled a Selayer badik or two? Regards, Kai

16th April 2012, 07:29 PM	#7
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,769	Hello Henri, very good grab you have done with this keris! For the hilt you can look as well to this thread: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=badik Agree with kai that the pesi is a little bit weird. BTW, I never have disassembled my Salayer badik and can't tell if the pesi is similar. Again, a very interesting keris and I am a little bit green with envy! Regards, Detlef

17th April 2012, 01:56 PM	#10
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,120	Well that is odd. Never seen anything quite like it.

17th April 2012, 03:11 PM	#11
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,769	I think that the pesi was broken and someone repaired it like this and hard-solder a second piece of iron to the original pesi to aggravate it. Just MHO. Regards, Detlef

17th April 2012, 09:23 PM	#12
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,254	Hello Henri, This repair job to strengthen the remaining pesi explains the slightly offset tang position. I doubt that this is Indonesian work though - possibly some European attempt at a pesi repair? We could use Alan's insight, I guess! Regards, Kai

17th April 2012, 10:40 PM	#13
dbhmgb Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Maryland, USA Posts: 112	It's amazing how much better the wilah is already looking.

18th April 2012, 07:45 AM	#15
henri Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Australia Posts: 81	Nice one also Michael . May be mine was the local Florist ' s keris ! Could you please post a photo from the top showing the ganja fully inserted into the sheath ? It seems to be out of the wrangka . Henri

18th April 2012, 08:56 AM	#16
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,254	Yes, more pics, please, Michael!

18th April 2012, 09:43 AM	#18
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,769	Wow, I am again green with envy! Very nice keris Michael! Regards, Detlef

18th April 2012, 10:22 AM	#19
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,247	There is an interesting discussion about this keris: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=3334