21st January 2011, 12:44 AM | #1 |
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Balato
Last one brought into my luggages last week .
Not cleaned yet but probably recent .Difficult to estimate age .... Ball is a new one made in wood but interesting hilt. Any comments always welcomed ! Henri |
21st January 2011, 08:32 AM | #2 |
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I like henri. As I understand it, most of these are recent. The old ones from the Headhunting times(pre-1887) are very rare indeed. Some concider the old ones the only "real" swords, all other are tourist. Do a forum search and see what I mean, not a pretty picture in some cases. Mine is my Wife's favorite sword in my collection, whether its old or not, its pretty. Its all in the eye of the beholder.
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21st January 2011, 11:58 AM | #3 |
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Hello Henri,
Although the ball has wooden teeth the whole ensemble looks original and the patina does not look fake to me. So this may be a post WW2 example for ceremonial use For the right price I would not mind to bump into one of these. Sad enough to often such items are presented as antique at a too high price. |
22nd January 2011, 09:39 PM | #4 | |
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Your balato looks to me as a post WW2 piece but seems to be good carved with some style variations typical for that time. I think its a piece from the 70's or so with less patina and what they sadly did was adding a black ugly patina to make it look older ( so more expensive) I think they did that by painting and burning( the wet paint), it looks a little crusty. however I mostly don't advice to clean old weaponery I think the piece will look much better if you clean the hilt very carefully with steelwool. regards Arjan |
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wooden tusks wheren't used on Nias, the reason why they added tusks on the ball was by the ideas of animistic belief to load up the sword ( or actually the ball) with power as teeth,horns etc are fastgrowers. it shouldn't have not any sense to add wooden replica's in original old charmsballs the tusks are often elongated with wooden pegs to make them round around the ball. ( I will see if I can find a pic) Arjan |
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23rd January 2011, 06:01 PM | #7 |
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Thank you. Did not realize they were wooden.
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It is on scarce occasions that we differ But is this case I would advise not to alter the ball. It is a mid 20th century balato that was either made for ceremonial dancing or maybe as a tourist item. But it is not an old pre 1900 headhunters sword. So why change the balato into an old (pre 1900) sword which it simply is not. Last edited by asomotif; 23rd January 2011 at 07:20 PM. |
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23rd January 2011, 09:50 PM | #9 |
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Thank you all for your feed backs . Still this dilemma : change / alter or not change the ball ? I could easily find here boar tusks and replace just the wooden tusks . Will look better for sure ...but still not an old one . Anyway it s always a compromise !
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I HAVE ALWAYS LIKED THESE AND SAW A VERY GOOD TRAVELING EXHIBIT FROM NIAS AT THE ART MUSEUM IN HOUSTON IN THE 1980'S. THEY ALSO HAVE A NICE EXAMPLE IN THEIR COLLECTION. HERE ARE A FEW PICTURES ONE OF NIAS VILLAGE GAURDS IN FULL REGALIA NOTE THE FLARED METAL ARMOR AND TUSKS ON THEIR HEAD GEAR. ONE SWORD HAS THE AMULET BALL EXPOSED WITH NO AMULET INSIDE OR TEETH ATTACHED, OTHERS HAVE AMULET BALLS WITH PIG TUSKS, CROCODILE TEETH, TIGER OR BIG CAT TEETH AND ONE HAS AN AMULET BOTTLE FIXED BETWEEN TWO TIGER TEETH. ONE FETISH BALL HAS CROCODILE TEETH, TIGER TEETH AND CLAWS. THERE ARE OTHER POSTS ON NIAS SO YOU MIGHT TAKE A LOOK
MY EXAMPLE OF A BALATO IS LIKE YOURS CARVED WOOD TEETH ON THE FETISH BALL BUT THE SWORD WOULD SERVE VERY WELL AS A WEAPON. THE MAGIC PROBABLY DOSEN'T WORK VERY WELL WITH AN EMPTY FETISH BALL WITH WOODEN TEETH Last edited by VANDOO; 24th January 2011 at 07:29 AM. |
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also after the WW2 we see "warriors" on Nias walking around with tusks charmballs. Its more that I have strongly the idea that such balls are added on Bali to sell them as complete sword. than it should be more ethographical correct to add real tusks than let the "Bali ball"" where it is now, I think. But of course if you want to see the sword in its original state you shouldn't add anything. Arjan |
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CLOSEUP OF FETISH BALL NIAS PIG TUSKS
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25th February 2011, 04:31 AM | #13 |
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wonderful pics. thanks all for sharing!
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NOPE! NO MONEY SPENT JUST CAPTURED THE PICTURE TO SHOW HOW ITS DONE.
THE SWORD I HAVE IS EVEN WORSE IT HAS CARVED WOODEN TEETH BUT THE PRICE WAS RIGHT AND IT WAS BETTER THAN NOTHING. |
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