Facón / Gaucho Knife from Uruguay

gp · 19th March 2023, 12:33 AM

I just managed to buy a facón from Uruguay from a seller in South America. See enclosed pics . Details:

Cuchillo de acero inoxidable hoja Trompeta con mango y vaina de metal blanco
Cuchillo con botón Uruguayo vaina trabajada con flores y arabescos , en las fotografías se aprecian los detalles del trabajo
En buenas condiciones
Medidas largo total con vaina 23,5 cm aprox
largo total sin vaina 22 cm aprox
largo de la hoja 12,3 cm aprox
ancho de la hoja en su parte mas ancha 1,7 cm aprox
ancho del lomo 2,5 mm aprox

Now I am awaiting the arrival and having several ones from Brazil and Arginentina, this is my first from Uruguay.

My question to you forum guys:

are the ones from Uruguay rare or hard to find ?

as I never stumbled on an Uruguayan before in the last 5 years or even more

RobT · 19th March 2023, 04:54 AM

gp,

Hopefully Chris Evans will weigh in. Until then, I will tell you what I have read. Because it is stamped "INOX" (stainless), your knife was made after the first quarter of the 20th century. FANACU (Fábrica Nacional de Cuchilleria) in Uruguay made these type of knives under the trade name of "Franz Wenk Solingen". I would imagine that there were other Uruguayan cutlers making similar knives.

Sincerely,
RobT

gp · 19th March 2023, 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RobT

gp,

Hopefully Chris Evans will weigh in. Until then, I will tell you what I have read. Because it is stamped "INOX" (stainless), your knife was made after the first quarter of the 20th century. FANACU (Fábrica Nacional de Cuchilleria) in Uruguay made these type of knives under the trade name of "Franz Wenk Solingen". I would imagine that there were other Uruguayan cutlers making similar knives.

Sincerely,
RobT

Thank you very much Rob; highly appreciated!

FYI: there is some info on this website to be found
http://www.vikingsword.com/ethsword/facon/criollo.html
but it doesn't specify on the issue if a Uruguayan is rare or not to find unfortunately

Lee · 19th March 2023, 03:54 PM

I suspect that they are not especially rare. I came across this pair on separate occasions at gun shows in the USA, though likely around a decade ago.

Sajen · 19th March 2023, 05:16 PM

Hi Gunar,

Is the scabbard and handle silver plated or from German silver? I guess that your example is from the mid. of 20th century. I have a very similar example which I guess is a little bit older, scabbard and handle are thick silver plated, I have shown it in this thread: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=28632
Compare the bird at the scabbard foot.

Best regards,
Detlef

gp · 19th March 2023, 06:13 PM

Yours is indeed beautiful, Detlef !

To answer your question on silver or alpaca silver or silver plated, I have to wait until I hold it in my hands (which may take a couple of weeks as it just left South America and was send by Fedex; hence going first to the good ol’ U S of A as point of transshipment).

In my opinion mine might be made between 1950-1970, but it definitely originates from Uruguay. What I also noticed that one hardly see longer gaucho knives than 30 cm on offer for sales ; the long( er) ones you see on the pictures in the wide leather belts of the men .

LG aus NL

Gunar

gp · 19th March 2023, 06:18 PM

Double…

gp · 19th March 2023, 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lee

I suspect that they are not especially rare. I came across this pair on separate occasions at gun shows in the USA, though likely around a decade ago.

Thank you for your feedback. Thus most likely the reason why I didn’t see the ones from Uruguay that often in Europe might be perhaps that it is or was commercially not that interesting to either offer / sell them here or no actual demand, versus the ones from “ bigger “ countries like Argentina and Brazil…

BR

Gunar

Chris Evans · 20th March 2023, 03:41 PM

Hi `gp'

Going by the maker's brand and the `boton', I have the feeling that your knife was made by the Brazilian cutler Eberle which went out of business in 1984, being taken over by another company.

My guess us that the logo Eberle was polished out of the blade.

I looked around in Spanish and could not find anything on Trompeta brand.

Cheers
Chris

gp · 20th March 2023, 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Evans

Hi `gp'

Going by the maker's brand and the `boton', I have the feeling that your knife was made by the Brazilian cutler Eberle which went out of business in 1984, being taken over by another company.

My guess us that the logo Eberle was polished out of the blade.

I looked around in Spanish and could not find anything on Trompeta brand.

Cheers
Chris

Thanks a lot Chris ! The facon looks very similar to the one from your posting in 2009 http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?p=87682
Enclosed a pic from the seller's website. I'll check the blade in detail upon its arrival, again much obliged!

BR

Gunar

Chris Evans · 21st March 2023, 04:09 PM

Hi Gunar,

I forgot about that post, and yes, they do look very similar. and please post again when it arrives.

Regarding your other questions, this type of knife was widely used in the Pampean flat grass lands which extend from south Brazil to Uruguay and Argentina and reflect the demands of cattle grazing.

However, Uruguay has a much smaller population and pastoral areas than the two other neighboring countries and as such Criollo knives with an identifiable Uruguayan provenance are by necessity smaller in numbers.

Regarding size, blades up to around 6" were known as `verijeros' and were carried as an auxiliary to the main working knife, being kept for eating and other detailed work. Nowadays the upmarket variations are mostly used during the traditional `asado', the barbecue to us or kept as evocative memorabilia.

Larger bladed knives are more easily found in Argentina where thy are quite numerous. And the antiques fitted with the old European trade blades command the highest prices.

During WWII due to the scarcity of imports, cutlers in Argentina commenced making blades from recycled steel, mostly in the Tandil region of Buenos Aires province. However, these failed to earn the same reputation as the older
trade blades from the highly regarded European manufacturers.

Cheers
Chris

gp · 12th April 2023, 04:05 PM

Hi Chris,

they arrived ; the seller offered me a 2nd one, which I gladly took.
Unfortunately no "Eberle" sign on both of them or trace that it ever had been there...

best regards

Gunar

Chris Evans · 14th April 2023, 04:52 AM

Hi Gunar,

Thank you for posting details of the knife and congratulations on your new acquisition.

The horn seems identical to the one with the `EBERLE', so my guess is that it was marketed by the company that took over that firm.

Cheers
Chris

kronckew · 14th April 2023, 05:29 AM

The pounce of the Grammar Police.

Google Translate is your friend: text Postings should be in English. Or in both languages.

Post #1: Spanish translated:

Trumpet blade stainless steel knife with white metal handle and scabbard Knife with Uruguayan button sheath worked with flowers and arabesques, in the photographs you can see the details of the work In good conditions Measurements total length with sheath 23.5 cm approx. total length without scabbard 22 cm approx blade length 12.3 cm approx width of the sheet at its widest part 1.7 cm approx spine width approx 2.5 mm

My knotted bugle one and a couple more EDC, less formal ones, not Uruguayan. Both are Argy ones if I recall.

gp · 14th April 2023, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kronckew

The pounce of the Grammar Police.

Google Translate is your friend: text Postings should be in English. Or in both languages.

Post #1: Spanish translated:

Trumpet blade stainless steel knife with white metal handle and scabbard Knife with Uruguayan button sheath worked with flowers and arabesques, in the photographs you can see the details of the work In good conditions Measurements total length with sheath 23.5 cm approx. total length without scabbard 22 cm approx blade length 12.3 cm approx width of the sheet at its widest part 1.7 cm approx spine width approx 2.5 mm

My knotted bugle one and a couple more EDC, less formal ones, not Uruguayan. Both are Argy ones if I recall.

Thnx for the update and feedback !

A pitty they are not from Uruguay as the Argy's broke by (little) heart in 78 ...Kempes and Ardilles ( talking the footty game..☺☺☺)
Nevertheless I am very happy with them! ☼

gp · 14th April 2023, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Evans

Hi Gunar,

Thank you for posting details of the knife and congratulations on your new acquisition.

The horn seems identical to the one with the `EBERLE', so my guess is that it was marketed by the company that took over that firm.

Cheers
Chris

Thank you very much Chris !

Rick · 15th April 2023, 04:25 AM

there seems to be an almost infinite amount of design variations in the handles and scabbards; I like them and have a few, none from Uruguay.

Ian · 15th April 2023, 04:37 AM

From time to time I'm asked what "INOX." means on South American knives. It comes from the Spanish word "INOXIDABLE," which is short for "ACERO INOXIDABLE," meaning Stainless Steel. This helps in a couple of ways. INOX. is used almost exclusively on knives from Spanish-speaking countries in S. America (not usually from Brazil where Portuguese is spoken), and it indicates the knife comes from the era of stainless steel being available for knife-making (mostly post-WWII).

19th March 2023, 05:16 PM	#5
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,781	Hi Gunar, Is the scabbard and handle silver plated or from German silver? I guess that your example is from the mid. of 20th century. I have a very similar example which I guess is a little bit older, scabbard and handle are thick silver plated, I have shown it in this thread: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=28632 Compare the bird at the scabbard foot. Best regards, Detlef Attached Images

19th March 2023, 06:13 PM	#6
gp Member Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 719	Yours is indeed beautiful, Detlef ! To answer your question on silver or alpaca silver or silver plated, I have to wait until I hold it in my hands (which may take a couple of weeks as it just left South America and was send by Fedex; hence going first to the good ol’ U S of A as point of transshipment). In my opinion mine might be made between 1950-1970, but it definitely originates from Uruguay. What I also noticed that one hardly see longer gaucho knives than 30 cm on offer for sales ; the long( er) ones you see on the pictures in the wide leather belts of the men . LG aus NL Gunar Last edited by gp; 19th March 2023 at 08:23 PM.

20th March 2023, 03:41 PM	#9
Chris Evans Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 682	Hi `gp' Going by the maker's brand and the `boton', I have the feeling that your knife was made by the Brazilian cutler Eberle which went out of business in 1984, being taken over by another company. My guess us that the logo Eberle was polished out of the blade. I looked around in Spanish and could not find anything on Trompeta brand. Cheers Chris Attached Images

12th April 2023, 04:05 PM	#12
gp Member Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 719	Hi Chris, they arrived ; the seller offered me a 2nd one, which I gladly took. Unfortunately no "Eberle" sign on both of them or trace that it ever had been there... best regards Gunar Attached Images

14th April 2023, 05:29 AM	#14
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,184	The pounce of the Grammar Police. Google Translate is your friend: text Postings should be in English. Or in both languages. Post #1: Spanish translated: Trumpet blade stainless steel knife with white metal handle and scabbard Knife with Uruguayan button sheath worked with flowers and arabesques, in the photographs you can see the details of the work In good conditions Measurements total length with sheath 23.5 cm approx. total length without scabbard 22 cm approx blade length 12.3 cm approx width of the sheet at its widest part 1.7 cm approx spine width approx 2.5 mm My knotted bugle one and a couple more EDC, less formal ones, not Uruguayan. Both are Argy ones if I recall. Attached Images Last edited by kronckew; 14th April 2023 at 05:44 AM.

19th March 2023, 12:33 AM	#1
gp Member Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 719	Facón / Gaucho Knife from Uruguay I just managed to buy a facón from Uruguay from a seller in South America. See enclosed pics . Details: Cuchillo de acero inoxidable hoja Trompeta con mango y vaina de metal blanco Cuchillo con botón Uruguayo vaina trabajada con flores y arabescos , en las fotografías se aprecian los detalles del trabajo En buenas condiciones Medidas largo total con vaina 23,5 cm aprox largo total sin vaina 22 cm aprox largo de la hoja 12,3 cm aprox ancho de la hoja en su parte mas ancha 1,7 cm aprox ancho del lomo 2,5 mm aprox Now I am awaiting the arrival and having several ones from Brazil and Arginentina, this is my first from Uruguay. My question to you forum guys: are the ones from Uruguay rare or hard to find ? as I never stumbled on an Uruguayan before in the last 5 years or even more Attached Images Last edited by gp; 19th March 2023 at 11:13 AM.

19th March 2023, 04:54 AM	#2
RobT Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 493	gp, Hopefully Chris Evans will weigh in. Until then, I will tell you what I have read. Because it is stamped "INOX" (stainless), your knife was made after the first quarter of the 20th century. FANACU (Fábrica Nacional de Cuchilleria) in Uruguay made these type of knives under the trade name of "Franz Wenk Solingen". I would imagine that there were other Uruguayan cutlers making similar knives. Sincerely, RobT

19th March 2023, 03:54 PM	#4
Lee EAAF Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Upstate New York, USA Posts: 914	I suspect that they are not especially rare. I came across this pair on separate occasions at gun shows in the USA, though likely around a decade ago.

19th March 2023, 06:18 PM	#7
gp Member Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 719	Double…

21st March 2023, 04:09 PM	#11
Chris Evans Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 682	Hi Gunar, I forgot about that post, and yes, they do look very similar. and please post again when it arrives. Regarding your other questions, this type of knife was widely used in the Pampean flat grass lands which extend from south Brazil to Uruguay and Argentina and reflect the demands of cattle grazing. However, Uruguay has a much smaller population and pastoral areas than the two other neighboring countries and as such Criollo knives with an identifiable Uruguayan provenance are by necessity smaller in numbers. Regarding size, blades up to around 6" were known as `verijeros' and were carried as an auxiliary to the main working knife, being kept for eating and other detailed work. Nowadays the upmarket variations are mostly used during the traditional `asado', the barbecue to us or kept as evocative memorabilia. Larger bladed knives are more easily found in Argentina where thy are quite numerous. And the antiques fitted with the old European trade blades command the highest prices. During WWII due to the scarcity of imports, cutlers in Argentina commenced making blades from recycled steel, mostly in the Tandil region of Buenos Aires province. However, these failed to earn the same reputation as the older trade blades from the highly regarded European manufacturers. Cheers Chris

14th April 2023, 04:52 AM	#13
Chris Evans Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 682	Hi Gunar, Thank you for posting details of the knife and congratulations on your new acquisition. The horn seems identical to the one with the `EBERLE', so my guess is that it was marketed by the company that took over that firm. Cheers Chris

15th April 2023, 04:25 AM	#17
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	there seems to be an almost infinite amount of design variations in the handles and scabbards; I like them and have a few, none from Uruguay.

15th April 2023, 04:37 AM	#18
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,200	From time to time I'm asked what "INOX." means on South American knives. It comes from the Spanish word "INOXIDABLE," which is short for "ACERO INOXIDABLE," meaning Stainless Steel. This helps in a couple of ways. INOX. is used almost exclusively on knives from Spanish-speaking countries in S. America (not usually from Brazil where Portuguese is spoken), and it indicates the knife comes from the era of stainless steel being available for knife-making (mostly post-WWII).