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THE SMALL DANCE SPEAR IS FAIRLY RECENT AND WAS MADE USING MODERN TOOLS POSSIBLY FOR TRIBAL CEREMONIES BUT LIKELY FOR SALE TO TOURISTS. ITS ACTUALLY WELL MADE FOR A SOUVENIR AND DOES HAVE SOME OF THE TRADITIONAL TRIBAL DESIGN I ASSOCIATE WITH THE KAXINAWA TRIBE. THERE IS A PICTURE OF SOME MORE OF THE TRIBES PEOPLE AND WEAPONS EARLIER IN THIS POST. I COULD BE WRONG AS OTHER TRIBES MAY MAKE THIS FORM OF SPEAR BUT SO FAR THE ONLY EXAMPLES I HAVE SEEN WERE FROM THIS TRIBE, SO ITS A GOOD PLACE TO START LOOKING.
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I know it's not really a weapon, but i thought i'd share
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Hi Folks. First post here. I found this site researching a club I purchased several months ago and figured now that I am enrolled I would share some photos of the club. From the Smithsonian website I found the club is what they call a "Shipibo Sword Club". It's quite heavy and has very sharp edges. Could cut through about anything. Very nice patina. The unusual aspect is where there is usually a sort of woven "rattan" covering on the handle this club has a native made cotton cover-probably a replacement but still pretty early. There is an old storage label from a "Bekins Moving" (an American moving company) in Albuquerque and the seller said it was in a small museum in New Mexico in the 50's. I collect Polynesian clubs and objects and a little African so this is out of my wheelhouse but it was so cheap and looked quite nice so I pulled the trigger. Any info on this club welcome. I've really enjoyed this thread and others-thanks... Sorry the photos are a little dark! I'll post one first to see if I'm doing it right...
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So-that was my first post here and I failed on the photo upload of course. Here are photos of the club... Sorry they are a bit dark-will do better next time. Incremental improvements...
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Would like to see it but no pics so far.
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i see the pics. nice club. i like it...
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WELCOME TO THE FORUM.
![]() A VERY NICE OLD EXAMPLE. MY TWO SHIPIBO CLUBS EARLY IN THIS POST WERE OF A LIGHTER SOFTER WOOD AND HAVE THE TRADITIONAL SHIPIBO TRIBAL DESIGNS ON THE BLADES. I SUSPECT MY TWO ARE MORE FOR DANCE , PRESENTATION OR TOURISTS RATHER THAN FIGHTING. THERE IS A GOOD HEAVY EXAMPLE IN THE NATURAL HISTORY MUSEUM IN NEW YORK CITY THAT HAS THE TRIBAL DESIGNS SO PERHAPS THERE WAS A PERIOD OF OVERLAP BETWEEN WEAPON AND CEREMONIAL USE. ![]() IS THERE ANY TRACE OF TRIBAL DESIGN ON YOUR CLUB? |
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Nice, got some age . I want one.
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Thanks for the warm welcome all. Vandoo-there is none of the tribal design on the blade. All the examples in the Smithsonian have thedesign as well-including a couple very early ones. I think it is more normal to have the design. Mine just doesn't but it still appears quite old. I've really enjoyed your posts-keep it up. This is my only South American club but maybe I will post more of my Polynesian material soon... |
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Houkura, that is a very nice club, even if not decorated... congrats!
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Congrats on such a fine example Houkura.
The type is its plain form is one I would be proud to display with my Amazon clubs. Gavin |
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Very nice club, don't worry about the markings some have it, some don't !
here is another example similar to yours! http://www.nmai.si.edu/searchcollections/item.aspx?irn=209363&catids=1&cultxt=shipibo&src=1-1 |
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This is my latest Amazon club. Origin Hixkaryana speaking peoples Para state Brazil and some related groups on the Brazil/Guyana border. I like to show how weapons of a size and form vary world wide so I show it with a big bully from the New Hebrides, Australia and Africa. Hixkaryana have much conflict with miners and loggers. Miner caught in Para Amazon. Like gold in Them there hills!
1998 report on violence in Para, http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/brazil/mining.htm |
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Guajajara club 98cm long so looks to be quite substantial. Nice handle but these pictures do not give you the best view of how it is woven. When I get it I can make better assessment.
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While I wait for the arrival of this club towards the end of the month. I thought I would add this picture of the after affects of club fighting. The link puts the picture in context for those who might be interested in weapons and violence in the Amazon rain forest.
http://www.artofmanliness.com/2013/0...of-male-honor/ |
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so, nothing much different than the rest of the world.
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just adding my photos. It seems to have had considerable use.
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Just received this nice Karaja sword club. Would split your skull and bones easily. Look good in a size grouping. I would like, no, need a large version.
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I also found a couple of things a nice things, a Tapirapé war club and a couple of bow and arrows from guyana/surinam. (pic 1 war club) (pic 2 bow and arrow 1) (pic 3 bow and arrow 2) (pic 4 and 5 bow and arrow 3) |
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I'm loving it. That's a really fine club. There's great stuff from the Amazon/ South America the trouble is finding it.
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HERE IS A PICTURE OF A MACANA CLUB FROM GUIANA , BRAZIL. ITS NOT A VERY GOOD PICTURE BUT SHOWS AN EXAMPLE WITH A STONE CELT BLADE INSERTED.
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Found a nice spear, although i'm not sure of the exact origins. I found something similar in the Oldman catalogues, he describes it as Rio Napo. (227 cm)
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Deep envy.
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Very nice aputu with an axe blade in it!
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PICTURE #1. MACANA CLUB GUYANA OR BRAZIL.
#2. MACANA CLUB, 18TH. CENTURY, GUYANA, BRAZIL BORDER, 18.45 INCHES OR 45.8 CM. LONG. #3. MACANA , GUYANA OR BRAZIL #4, #5. AND #6. IDENTIFIED AS A KAPAPO OR CARAJA CLUB, NORTH BRAZIL , 41.5INCHES LONG. |
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I am waiting for this Kayabi club. The picture is not the best but have been informed that all is sound and okay. It is a good size 112cm. More pictures on arrival.
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HERE IS A PALM WOOD SPEAR WITH A BONE TIP. IT IS SIMILAR TO SOME POSTED PREVIOUSLY ONE IS THE FIRST POST ON PAGE 2 OF THIS TOPIC.
#1. TWO METERS LONG, PALM WOOD, BONE POINT, FIBER WRAP WITH FEATHERS,BRAZIL, ARAGUAYA RIVER TIM I LOOK FORWARD TO PICTURES OF THE NEW CLUB. ![]() |
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Update, not long now finally on the long journey to me. For the time being some interesting info on conflict in the early to mid 20th century.
https://pib.socioambiental.org/en/povo/kaiabi/273 Last edited by Tim Simmons; 16th October 2016 at 08:37 AM. |
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