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Composite bows at ed-Dur (Umm al-Qaiwain, U.A.E.)
http://faculty.ksu.edu.sa/archaeolog...t%20ed-Dur.pdf Bows in Arabia and at ed-Dur According to pre-Islamic Arabic poetry, the bow was a frequently used weapon in Arabia (29). Originally, the Arabs used the simple, asymmetrical bow (upper and lower limbs being of different length). Later, the ‘Arab composite bow’ was intro- duced: a large, segment-shaped bow with long ears bent forwards, a descendant of the above-mentioned ‘composite segment bow’ with bone coverings. When ed-Dur was occupied (late first century BC- first half of the second century AD), this type was widely used by the Arabs (30). Surprisingly, how- ever, ed-Dur is the only site in the Arabian Peninsula where bone nock-plates have been excavated. More- over, no illustrations of the Arab composite bow have been found, perhaps because of the ‘iconoclas- tic tendencies common to Islam and to the pre- Moslem religions of the country’ (31). |
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It is not in good condition, maybe someone has an idea of how to preserve it. Persian bows are rather rare. Naser al-Din Shah Qajar (16 July 1831 – 1 May 1896) (Persian: ناصرالدین شاه قاجار), also Nassereddin Shah Qajar, was the King of Persia from 5 September 1848 to 1 May 1896 when he was assassinated. |
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The research paper is quite excellent however, I dont know what context you mean iconoclatic tic... "a contradiction in established beliefs"... I can say however, that I have found a lot of arrow heads around here in the desert...which proves to me someone must have been loosing some arrows off>>> a long time ago. |
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An archer engaged in combat using a thumb draw on what appears to be a type of Indo-Persian bow. It dates back to the 8th-9th Century AD and was taken from the ancient city of Panjikent located partially in Tajikistan's northwest but mainly in Uzbekistan's southeast according to the locals. For years it was kept in the Hermitage of St. Petersburg, Russia but now resides back in Tajik lands where it rightfully belongs. |
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I think I have a few left ... will check the store ...and take a picture. |
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I still need to take some pictures... however, looking at a report on the UAEi ~ Quote"Broadheads were used for war and are still used for hunting. Information on regional Arabic arrowheads found from the period 100BC-150AD in the United Arab Emirates show the use of three-bladed broadheads, or trilobate arrowhead. "A trilobate arrowhead can be defined as an arrowhead that has three wings or blades that are usually placed at equal angles (i.e. c. 120°) around the imaginary longitudinal axis extending from the centre of the socket or tang. Since this type of arrowhead is rare in southeastern Arabia, we must investigate its origin and the reasons behind its presence at ed-Dur. UAE" ''Unquote. |
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RESEARCHERS FIND ANCIENT OFFERINGS TO A DEITY OF WAR
Archaeologists led by Guilluame Gernez of Pantheon-Sorbonne University in Paris discovered two groups of 'remarkable' objects during excavations at Mudhmar East. The site in the Arabian Peninsula, near Adam, Oman. Researchers found two small quivers made entirely of bronze, each including six arrows. At just 35 cm, these quivers are small-scale replicas of real objects and are non-functional – and they're the first of this kind ever to be discovered in the Arabian Peninsula. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...#ixzz4nJL0lRhl |
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First, some Manchu bows: http://mandarinmansion.com/antique-manchu-composite-bow http://www.hermann-historica.de/en/k..._jhdt/l/138178 https://anthromuseum.missouri.edu/gr...-0162bow.shtml These are big bows (170cm to 180cm long), very reflexed, long ears, prominent string bridges. The Mongolian version is similar: often a bit smaller, but still a big bows, often with shorter (but still long) ears, usually less reflexed. A couple of examples: http://www.hermann-historica.de/en/k..._jhdt/l/138189 http://www.hermann-historica.de/en/k..._jhdt/l/138192 http://mandarinmansion.com/tigers-ta...-composite-bow The typical Ottoman bow is very different. Much, much smaller (about 1m long), short ears, no string bridges: https://anthromuseum.missouri.edu/gr...7turkbow.shtml https://anthromuseum.missouri.edu/gr...7turkbow.shtml Now the in-between bow, the "Crimean" bow. AFAIK, these are Turkish Ottoman, rather than Crimean as such - the actual Crimean bow was close to the Mongolian/Manchu bow (more prominent string bridges). 150cm long, so very large: https://anthromuseum.missouri.edu/gr...artarbow.shtml 125cm long, so about halfway between the above example and a typical Ottoman bow: https://anthromuseum.missouri.edu/gr...artarbow.shtml Quote:
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Another online publication of interest:
Bernard A. Boit, "The Fruits of Adversity: Technical Refinements of the Turkish Composite Bow During the Crusading Era", MA thesis, The Ohio State University, 1991. http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a243362.pdf |
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Smaller is easier on horseback, but note that the bow survived for so long in the Qing army as a cavalry weapon. After pike and musket became the dominant infantry weapons, the bow remained in use by the cavalry for another 200 years. If they'd adopted the pistol as a standard cavalry weapon, the bow might have been abandoned. The Japanese managed with an even longer bow! (Modern yumi usually vary from 2.2m to 2.5m.) Quote:
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Thank you, Timo.
At what moment and where began those sabers be carried edge-up? In the Golden Horde they were carried edge-up, as I understand. The Russians adopted this sytsem, as also the oriental style of sabers. The Japanese carried the nihonto edge-up in the sash, but edge-down with armour. Regards |
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The oldest Central Asian scabbards for curved sabres I've seen that look designed for wear through a waist sash (and therefore at least potentially edge-up) are 18th century. However, scabbards don't survive as well as swords, and the practice might be older. I've seen older Tibetan scabbards (for straight swords) that look like they're made for wear through a waist sash, edge up (maybe 17th century?).
The oldest scabbards I've seen for wear edge-up hung-from-belt are 19th century (shashka scabbards, all of them). AFAIK, uchigatana mounts (Japanese sword mounts for edge-up waist-sash wear) appear in the 15th century, and become common in the 16th century. This was driven by the growth of infantry as armies got larger. The uchigatana/katana is an infantry sword, and the tachi is a cavalry sword. Can you point to any art showing Golden Horde swords being worn edge-up? |
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Hi Timo,
It seems that I´m wrong. I have been checking Tatar sabres with scabbards, and all them seem to be carried edge-down. I thought the tachi was not used anymore in the 16th Century, except for few exceptions. Regards Last edited by Gonzalo G; 31st July 2017 at 03:57 AM. |
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The tachi was still in use as a cavalry sword. For example, in this picture of the Siege of Osaka Castle, 1615:
the cavalry wear tachi, while most infantry wear a katana (some armoured infantry wear tachi, too, like the musketeer near the gate at the bottom left, and the archer at the bottom extreme right). As late as the Satsuma Rebellion, art still shows traditionally-equipped armoured cavalry wearing tachi (and modernised cavalry with Western sabres, modernised infantry with katana worn in baldrics, unarmoured samurai women fighting on horseback with katana - lots of variety). |
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Thank you, Timo. Very instructive.
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There were true tachi, which are swords made during a certain period of time and with certain identifiable traits. There were swords that were not true tachi which were mounted in a tachi koshirae. There were swords that were not true tachi and were not mounted in a tachi koshirae but were still worn in the manner of a tachi. There were swords made at a later date than true tachi which were made to look like true tachi. |
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Take that 3mm rawhide lamellar, and wear it on top of a mail shirt (as was common), and it isn't light armour at all. |
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