African knights - African armour collection thread - Page 3

Jim McDougall · 26th September 2015, 06:54 PM

This continues to be s most fascinating thread, and I very much admire the gentlemanly exchange in discussing differences in opinion and perspective, case in point Wikipedia and the more recent web phenomenon, Pininterest.
Like most everything, these kinds of venues serve well for many, and of course in varying cases and degrees.
As always, they are only as effective as those who proactively contribute to them, and can be most useful if the material presented is accurately and effectively entered.

I must reiterate, to me online resources are usually quite valuable, but as even with published resources the best policy is to recheck and confirm sources and cites. As noted, many of these references in these online venues are dated, improperly quoted and poorly cited. While their 'benchmark' standing remains, it becomes even more essential to continue research and confirmation.

The book "African Knights" sounds fascinating and I have ordered it!
"African Arms and Armour" has been a keystone in my African references for nearly two decades! and has always served me well. In the concurrent thread on throwing knives, after searching through a good number of esoteric reference sources, I found most of what I sought in 'Spring' (which most of us use to term this now venerable source).

Excellent thread!!!

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 29th September 2015, 03:15 PM

More on African Armour...Mahdist undergarments etc used in the Hicks Massacre and at Omdurman ...

eftihis · 6th October 2015, 02:19 PM

Here are closer photos of the mail. I have seen one similar described as Ottoman.

estcrh · 6th October 2015, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by eftihis

Here are closer photos of the mail. I have seen one similar described as Ottoman.

Very nice images, it certainly is not Indian mail. I would say either Ottoman or Persian, either way you did good on these, I seem to remember they sold for a rather low price. Do you have a weight and or measurement.

eftihis · 7th October 2015, 01:06 AM

Dear estcrh, thanks for your input and let me congratulate you for the thousands of images that you have gathered in your boards! I was like lost there for some hours! The weight is 12,5 kg the 2 together, so i guess 6,250kg each (my scale couldnt work with just one on it!)

estcrh · 7th October 2015, 04:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eftihis

Dear estcrh, thanks for your input and let me congratulate you for the thousands of images that you have gathered in your boards! I was like lost there for some hours! The weight is 12,5 kg the 2 together, so i guess 6,250kg each (my scale couldnt work with just one on it!)

Here is a comparison view of your mail and some 16th century Ottoman mail.

blue lander · 8th October 2015, 04:55 PM

These were sold as "African chain mail gloves" Do you think they're armor or something else? I didn't win the auction

estcrh · 10th October 2015, 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blue lander

These were sold as "African chain mail gloves" Do you think they're armor or something else? I didn't win the auction

I have seen another single mail glove like the ones you posted, they must have had some purpose. I was thinking the single one could have been used in falcontry. They do not look like something you would hold a weapon with but you never know.

Oliver Pinchot · 10th October 2015, 05:48 PM

They're butcher's gloves.

werdna · 27th July 2020, 08:52 AM

Hello,this is the first post I have made,so if there are mistakes I apologise
I found the photo attached to this post on pinterest but I cannot find any information on the book it comes from.Can somebody please tell me which book this page is from
regards
Andrew Freeston

Oliver Pinchot · 28th July 2020, 07:57 AM

This was from our (Auctions Imperial) March 2012 sale, lot 244:

https://auctionsimperial.hibid.com/l...armor&cat=true

Oliver

29th September 2015, 03:15 PM	#62
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	More on African Armour...Mahdist undergarments etc used in the Hicks Massacre and at Omdurman ... Attached Images Last edited by Ibrahiim al Balooshi; 29th September 2015 at 03:45 PM.

6th October 2015, 02:19 PM	#63
eftihis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chania Crete Greece Posts: 507	Here are closer photos of the mail. I have seen one similar described as Ottoman. Attached Images

8th October 2015, 04:55 PM	#67
blue lander Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 456	These were sold as "African chain mail gloves" Do you think they're armor or something else? I didn't win the auction Attached Images

27th July 2020, 08:52 AM	#70
werdna Member Join Date: Jul 2020 Posts: 7	which book does this page come from Hello,this is the first post I have made,so if there are mistakes I apologise I found the photo attached to this post on pinterest but I cannot find any information on the book it comes from.Can somebody please tell me which book this page is from regards Andrew Freeston Attached Images

26th September 2015, 06:54 PM	#61
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,945	This continues to be s most fascinating thread, and I very much admire the gentlemanly exchange in discussing differences in opinion and perspective, case in point Wikipedia and the more recent web phenomenon, Pininterest. Like most everything, these kinds of venues serve well for many, and of course in varying cases and degrees. As always, they are only as effective as those who proactively contribute to them, and can be most useful if the material presented is accurately and effectively entered. I must reiterate, to me online resources are usually quite valuable, but as even with published resources the best policy is to recheck and confirm sources and cites. As noted, many of these references in these online venues are dated, improperly quoted and poorly cited. While their 'benchmark' standing remains, it becomes even more essential to continue research and confirmation. The book "African Knights" sounds fascinating and I have ordered it! "African Arms and Armour" has been a keystone in my African references for nearly two decades! and has always served me well. In the concurrent thread on throwing knives, after searching through a good number of esoteric reference sources, I found most of what I sought in 'Spring' (which most of us use to term this now venerable source). Excellent thread!!!

7th October 2015, 01:06 AM	#65
eftihis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chania Crete Greece Posts: 507	Dear estcrh, thanks for your input and let me congratulate you for the thousands of images that you have gathered in your boards! I was like lost there for some hours! The weight is 12,5 kg the 2 together, so i guess 6,250kg each (my scale couldnt work with just one on it!)

10th October 2015, 05:48 PM	#69
Oliver Pinchot Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 457	They're butcher's gloves.

28th July 2020, 07:57 AM	#71
Oliver Pinchot Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 457	This was from our (Auctions Imperial) March 2012 sale, lot 244: https://auctionsimperial.hibid.com/l...armor&cat=true Oliver