Definition of a Greek yataghan? - Page 2

kronckew · 11th August 2019, 07:18 PM

Indeed! A rose by any other name would smell as sweet...

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck.

If it looks like a Yat, walks like a Yat and cuts like a Yat, it's a Yataghan.

Or I'm quackers...(maybe both

)

I have a Brass hilted infantry Yataghan with a double edged blade! Both edges sharp as heck too. cross section is a flattened rhombus.

ariel · 11th August 2019, 08:44 PM

I am a bit uneasy with that approach.
European “Yataghans” are not homogenous: one group belongs to rather faithful reproductions of the Ottoman weapon. Recall Labruna workshop in Naples, Manceaux in France, some old Zlatoust replicas.

But Chassepot bayonets are a different kettle of fish. Thehuy borrowed the idea of a recurved blade and attached to them completely foreign handles.

They are industrially manufactured regulation weapons devoid of any personality.

sfenoid13 · 13th August 2019, 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kronckew

Indeed! A rose by any other name would smell as sweet...

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck.

If it looks like a Yat, walks like a Yat and cuts like a Yat, it's a Yataghan.

Or I'm quackers...(maybe both

)

I have a Brass hilted infantry Yataghan with a double edged blade! Both edges sharp as heck too. cross section is a flattened rhombus.

I think it’s just ignorant and insulting to call what you have a Yataghan! You must be joking! What you have is a joke not a Yataghan

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ariel · 13th August 2019, 02:18 AM

How about lowering voltage?

Ian · 13th August 2019, 02:22 AM

I think Wayne and Kubur were both joking. Let's not get too serious with names. That tends to take us into stormy waters.

P.S. I agree with Ariel. Our posts crossed.

sfenoid13 · 13th August 2019, 03:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ariel

How about lowering voltage?

Sorry, I apologize. Didn’t mean to sound rude. I said what I said lightheartedly.
I now see that it came out harsh.

To me Yatagan is a very special weapon that encompasses many characteristics in one place and just because one or some of these characteristics are present in a similar item we can’t sinoly call the two the same name. It’s jusst a specific name for a specific weapon. Like calling a Winchester just a rifle with a barrel or magnum revolver is the same as a berets or something like that.
Again I’m sorry if my voltage went up too high

) didn’t mean to...

kronckew · 13th August 2019, 08:24 AM

Apology accepted...

Not every bent knife is a Khukuri either, heck there are 'khukuri' that do not deserve the appellation, they are just KLO - Khukuri-Like Objects.

We here have some YLO

Kalasan, Flyssa, ex-Bayonets Etc. = YLO?

Like most things, there are shades of grey, not black & white.

11th August 2019, 07:18 PM	#31
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,205	Indeed! A rose by any other name would smell as sweet... If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck. If it looks like a Yat, walks like a Yat and cuts like a Yat, it's a Yataghan. Or I'm quackers...(maybe both ) I have a Brass hilted infantry Yataghan with a double edged blade! Both edges sharp as heck too. cross section is a flattened rhombus. Attached Images Last edited by kronckew; 11th August 2019 at 07:30 PM.

11th August 2019, 08:44 PM	#32
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	I am a bit uneasy with that approach. European “Yataghans” are not homogenous: one group belongs to rather faithful reproductions of the Ottoman weapon. Recall Labruna workshop in Naples, Manceaux in France, some old Zlatoust replicas. But Chassepot bayonets are a different kettle of fish. Thehuy borrowed the idea of a recurved blade and attached to them completely foreign handles. They are industrially manufactured regulation weapons devoid of any personality. Last edited by ariel; 11th August 2019 at 10:54 PM.

13th August 2019, 08:24 AM	#37
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,205	Apology accepted... Not every bent knife is a Khukuri either, heck there are 'khukuri' that do not deserve the appellation, they are just KLO - Khukuri-Like Objects. We here have some YLO Kalasan, Flyssa, ex-Bayonets Etc. = YLO? Like most things, there are shades of grey, not black & white. Last edited by kronckew; 13th August 2019 at 08:35 AM.

13th August 2019, 02:18 AM	#34
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	How about lowering voltage?

13th August 2019, 02:22 AM	#35
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,333	I think Wayne and Kubur were both joking. Let's not get too serious with names. That tends to take us into stormy waters. P.S. I agree with Ariel. Our posts crossed.