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I've just gotten back from checking out the antique shops in the downtown (Ermita district) of the city of Manila.
I was looking for kampilans, and I've posted the pics of the five kampilans I'm choosing from, in this thread -- Five kampilans: which two to buy? Hope you can give me some guidance there. As to what else are there in that popular antique store in Ermita, please see attached. |
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Some more pics:
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Last set, still the same store:
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I would give up an "E-Ride ticket", to walk thru these shops ( if any of you ever used one of these tickets, you're old like me
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I too wish I could walk into these shops... are there any honestly functional and strong blades there or are they all fragile antiques or tourist items? I dunno if it's worth trying to find someone who could help me acquire a barong from a good reputable shop...
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Most of the stuff in the pictures are recently made. There are some that are perhaps older - mostly those that are Lumad or Igorot.
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![]() ![]() KuKulz, you will find that many of the newer blades are quite "functional" and that many more of the older "antiques" are even more functional. In fact, i have rarely handled an antique kris that i would consider fragile. They are usually very well made blades that hold up well over the years. ![]() |
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so the concern is not so much that they might not work as intended but that they might not all be authentic antiques?
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But for many of us it is a matter of aesthetics. Placing an old kris next to one of these contemporary swords will probably show you this rather quickly. Both of them might be effective at killing, but the antique will most often be aesthetically more pleasing to the eye. |
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I see, thank you, I wanted to make sure I understood.
![]() So say I want to get a legitimate Filipino blade that's aesthetically pleasing (and functional) and I live in the USA... how hard would it be to acquire one as seen in all these nice images? From what I've heard the shopping usually needs to be done on the spot, ya? If so I would not be surprised. There is one main Taiwanese aboriginal blade-maker that I know of and finding his contact info was hard enough. And I think the only time I could buy an aboriginal blade is the next time I go back to Taiwan to visit relatives (someday)... The Philippines would be a whole new world and quite an adventure ![]() ![]() |
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Looks like you're posting from the Northeast US .
You haven't heard of eBay ? ![]() |
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oh I've heard of eBay... but the barongs on eBay tend to cost more than I have to spend... and I rarely ever seen any Taiwanese aboriginal knives... so I was lookin for alternatives... the aboriginal knives I can get in Taiwan next time I visit... but Filipino stuff... that's tougher
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![]() ![]() Yes, good Taiwanese stuff is rare and expensive . Possibly a side trip to Japan next time you go seeing as they occupied it for some years ... ![]() ![]() |
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yea, well I suspect that Taiwanese knives in Japan would be like Filipino knives in the USA... soldiers bring 'em home... there was a small amount of toursim blades made for foreign soldiers... doesn't mean they don't work, just not entirely traditional I guess....
However the aboriginal knifemaker, Nmah Yioudau, in Hualien County (NE side) still makes traditional blades and if my parents can't get them for me when they go back to visit my elderly grandparents, I'll get them myself when I go back to visit (been setting aside money from my budget for the plane tickets)... yay for Taiwanese heritage! ![]() |
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Well, it's hard to know what you consider to be too expensive. I see a whole lot of this contemporary Moro stuff go pretty cheaply on eBay, unless, of course, some bidder gets it in his head that he is bidding on an actual antique.
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Amen! ![]() Hello KuKulzA28, To expound on David's point, if for instance the kris was antique, then wouldn't it be exciting to think that perhaps the said piece was one of those that figured in a famous Moroland battle, like the one described below? Note where the kris was when Hassan died: "Panglima Hassan (central figure in pic below), was killed in action against the Americans on March 4, 1904 at Bud Bagsak (Mount Bagsak).To all, Would it actually be possible to trace where in the US Hassan's kris is for instance? And the others'? I cannot imagine the value of said krisses if provenance can be established! Last edited by migueldiaz; 4th November 2008 at 02:12 PM. |
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I see... so as in the soul of the weapon, it's history... the blood and sweat on it, and that is what makes an antique amazing... like an elder who knows his/her shit and can do things that surprise you, but nevertheless, even though they've seen many days, they're old, and starting to lose their young vigor
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Hi some time ago i braught two kris from the USA that claimed to be army bring backs ....they were both heavily coated in Cosmoline witch was a nightmare to remove but gave the "bringback" claim a little authenticity for me.
Of interest was that they both have small typed labels on the scabbards with individuals names"Hadji Ali.Tanbunan,Talayan" and"Jamal. Lambnyao,Tatayam" I have always wondered if these could have been the names of the original owners[confiscated mabe?] but thaught it was to good to be true. I will post a couple of pics asap when i find my damn camera cable. |
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Found the fellow.Note the silver bands on the top swords scabbard and silver fittings on the handle are replacements.The stirrups and handles are original just restored[the bottom swords stirrups are iron heat blued].Both handles came with remnants of woven thread rotted by the cosmoline.Both are ongoing projects for me.
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