Persian and Ottoman maces

[Kubur]

My mace finally
Originaly covered with goftary with the wings plated with red copper
It looks to me Persian...
Very heavy stuff, not like some persian axes very light and decorative...

[estcrh]

Originally Posted by Kubur

My mace finally
Originaly covered with goftary with the wings plated with red copper
It looks to me Persian...
Very heavy stuff, not like some persian axes very light and decorative...

If the other maces like this are Persian then your mace is Persian, a nice, rare example.

[estcrh]

Originally Posted by Ibrahiim al Balooshi

Salaams estcrh, That mace form appears at #25 on left of photo with other Indo Persian examples...but identified as Bozdogan/buzdygan (Ottoman) which generally means round headed mace.

Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

Yes, this type had been described as being "Ottoman"...but is it? Descriptions can be wrong, if you look at Stones images of various maces you will see this image and description.

#21. Persia, all steel, head a grooved ball.

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

Originally Posted by estcrh

Yes, this type had been described as being "Ottoman"...but is it? Descriptions can be wrong, if you look at Stones images of various maces you will see this image and description.

#21. Persia, all steel, head a grooved ball.

I think that is part of the problem... It would appear they both have almost identical terms for this weapon... thus they probably both used it ...Stone only mentions one in your picture as possibly Ottoman; he calls Asiatic Turkey. The comparison seems only to be Persian/Indian although I see China mentioned also.
The way they get around the description is to throw the lot in... Indo-Persian bozdogan / buzdygan mace (Ottoman or Persian)


Here's another..

[estcrh]

Originally Posted by Ibrahiim al Balooshi

I think that is part of the problem... It would appear they both have almost identical terms for this weapon... thus they probably both used it ...Stone only mentions one in your picture as possibly Ottoman; he calls Asiatic Turkey. The comparison seems only to be Persian/Indian although I see China mentioned also.
The way they get around the description is to throw the lot in... Indo-Persian bozdogan / buzdygan mace (Ottoman or Persian)


Here's another..

Ibrahiim, here is why besides Stones descriptiuon I think that this particular type mace may in fact be Persian. In the photo below is what seems to be accepted as a Persian mace, note the inserted dots on the mace head. Compare it to the smaller solid iron made from one piece of metal, notice the dots inserted in the same manner as the larger mace.

The similarity has made me change the description from "Ottoman" to "Persian / Ottoman".

[Kubur]

This morning I was brave enough to take some photos in books...
They are all described as Ottoman maces.

[estcrh]

Originally Posted by Kubur

This morning I was brave enough to take some photos in books...
They are all described as Ottoman maces.

Thanks for adding these images, but on some of these I wonder how exactly they determined that they were Ottoman. I am sure that on some of the highly decorated ones there is evidence of the culture that made them but on others???

[Kubur]

Question for Mercenary
Do you have high quality pictures of your photos at the Hermitage?
I'm interested by the following picture...

[eftihis]

I got these 2 maces recently. For size comparison i have placed them near an ottoman axe. What do you think, ottoman or Persian? The shaft is masiff iron. Also i am puzzled about the size of the smaller one. Could this be a mace with such a short shaft? And what is the reason for the flanged ending at the other side?

[werecow]

Not directly related to the items shown in this thread, but I happened across this video yesterday about medieval Islamic maces and axes that may be of interest to people reading this thread:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kte3-QBSR_8

(I should note that I know nothing about these. Also some of the weights he mentions seem absurdly high but perhaps I'm missing something there.)

[eftihis]

A Turc with a mace.