Boar sword cross bar - Page 2

fernando · 14th December 2017, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by kronckew

...the kitchen and dining room table are my work areas ...

Not the dining room table anymore for me, since i swapped a little pine table for one of these luxury extendible specimens. Only suitable for innocuous bricolage

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Victrix · 22nd December 2017, 08:21 PM

I had the great fortune to visit the Imperial armoury at the Hofburg in Vienna. They had a couple of boar hunting swords speciments. Please see below for some amateur photos.

Foxbat · 23rd December 2017, 04:34 PM

Thank you for the pictures, they do provide some additional insight!

Victrix · 23rd December 2017, 08:12 PM

I’m glad you enjoyed the photos Foxbat. Unfortunately the lighting was weak in the museum. In fact I triggered the alarm when I came too close to photograph some halberds makers marks. I’m glad they didn’t throw me out

Merry Christmas to all.

Philip · 28th December 2017, 03:52 AM

Note the inclusion of another pig poker -- the boar SPEAR in one of the images -- it's a famous one, part of a four-piece garniture (also including a marshal's baton and 2 swords) by Milanese armorers Daniele and Giovanni Battista Serravalle, ca 1560, for Archduke Ferdinand II of Tirol. Note the addorsed boar heads at the base of the leaf shaped blade. A wonderful thing, if you're interested there's a half page color image in Lionello Boccia / Eduardo Coelho, ARMI BIANCHE ITALIANE (Editrice Bramante, 1975), item no. 413.

broadaxe · 1st January 2018, 11:56 AM

General article I wrote several years ago on that topic, I wasn't aware back then about boar swords with permanently-fixed crossbars.
Requires registration via either Google or Facebook:
https://www.academia.edu/34183655/Hunting_Swords

kronckew · 1st January 2018, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by broadaxe

General article I wrote several years ago on that topic, I wasn't aware back then about boar swords with permanently-fixed crossbars.
Requires registration via either Google or Facebook:
https://www.academia.edu/34183655/Hunting_Swords

Cool pdf, i note you got the young steven segal to pose for the title photo...

Victrix · 30th July 2019, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Philip

Note the inclusion of another pig poker -- the boar SPEAR in one of the images -- it's a famous one, part of a four-piece garniture (also including a marshal's baton and 2 swords) by Milanese armorers Daniele and Giovanni Battista Serravalle, ca 1560, for Archduke Ferdinand II of Tirol. Note the addorsed boar heads at the base of the leaf shaped blade. A wonderful thing, if you're interested there's a half page color image in Lionello Boccia / Eduardo Coelho, ARMI BIANCHE ITALIANE (Editrice Bramante, 1975), item no. 413.

I recently visted Kalmar Castle on the East coast of Sweden and spotted this decoration in the ceiling, depicting a medieval wild boar hunt with the use of boar spears.

Philip · 31st July 2019, 05:47 AM

Thanks for posting this image! Would you happen to know approximately what year the interior and its decoration were installed? I'm trying to pin a date on the scene itself, the costumes look a couple of centuries more recent than medieval.

No big deal in and of itself -- even if it's 18th cent. the important thing is that it helps show the consistency of the basic boar spear concept across borders and centuries. The 15th cent, spear attributed to Prince Boris Aleksandrovich (Moscow Kremlin inv.no. 5867) would not, save for superficial decoration on its socket, be out of place among the modern piggy pokers sold in some gun shops catering to hunters in Germany and Poland. If it works, don't muck with it...

Victrix · 31st July 2019, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Philip

Thanks for posting this image! Would you happen to know approximately what year the interior and its decoration were installed? I'm trying to pin a date on the scene itself, the costumes look a couple of centuries more recent than medieval.

No big deal in and of itself -- even if it's 18th cent. the important thing is that it helps show the consistency of the basic boar spear concept across borders and centuries. The 15th cent, spear attributed to Prince Boris Aleksandrovich (Moscow Kremlin inv.no. 5867) would not, save for superficial decoration on its socket, be out of place among the modern piggy pokers sold in some gun shops catering to hunters in Germany and Poland. If it works, don't muck with it...

Kalmar Castle has origins from the 12thC and is situated on Sweden’s Baltic coast. There were a lot of Germans living there and I think it was a Hanseatic city at some time? The castle was expanded and modernized over the centuries due to its strategic location. This particular hunting scene is in the King’s Chamber of Swedish king Erik XIV and the ceiling is dated 1562 on the panels. It seems to me that the costumes and weapons used are compatible with that date, certainly not 18thC. The room was renovated in the mid 19thC.

kronckew · 31st July 2019, 11:44 AM

In Wales, Cardiff Castle and Castle Coch were restored by wealthy industrialists and decorated lavishly in High Medieval style during the mid 19c.

fernando · 31st July 2019, 12:35 PM

These images are dated XVI century, included in the "Livre de Chasse" de Gaston Phoebus (Biblioteque Nationale de Paris).
It happens that, Gaston Phoebus, Count of Foix, a great hunter and author of the work, lived in the XIV century, two centuries prior to the date attributed to the images. To crack the riddle, one has to learn that these images illustrated a later XVI century edition... as i aldo have them illustrating this book i have "Eight Centuries of Hunting in Portugal" (Miguel Sanches de Baêna - 1998).
Mind you, i am not a hunter ... just happen to have been offered the book.

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Philip · 1st August 2019, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by kronckew

In Wales, Cardiff Castle and Castle Coch were restored by wealthy industrialists and decorated lavishly in High Medieval style during the mid 19c.

Impressive example of the medieval revival in art, and the neo-Gothic architecture which wdrere iconic elements of 19th cent. Romanticist taste (the movement that's responsible for all those "Victorian copies" we encounter in the arms and armor marketplace today). The painting is interesting because it faithfully depicts medieval costume and architecture, but in a picture composed according to the standards of proportion, posture, and perspective that 19th cent. artists were trained in.

Lovely example of the style.

ScottI · 3rd September 2021, 06:51 AM

Foxbat, did the boar sword arrive? Was it as you expected it would be?

22nd December 2017, 08:21 PM	#32
Victrix Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Sweden Posts: 697	I had the great fortune to visit the Imperial armoury at the Hofburg in Vienna. They had a couple of boar hunting swords speciments. Please see below for some amateur photos. Attached Images

28th December 2017, 03:52 AM	#35
Philip Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: California Posts: 1,036	thanks for sharing your pics Note the inclusion of another pig poker -- the boar SPEAR in one of the images -- it's a famous one, part of a four-piece garniture (also including a marshal's baton and 2 swords) by Milanese armorers Daniele and Giovanni Battista Serravalle, ca 1560, for Archduke Ferdinand II of Tirol. Note the addorsed boar heads at the base of the leaf shaped blade. A wonderful thing, if you're interested there's a half page color image in Lionello Boccia / Eduardo Coelho, ARMI BIANCHE ITALIANE (Editrice Bramante, 1975), item no. 413.

31st July 2019, 11:44 AM	#41
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,181	In Wales, Cardiff Castle and Castle Coch were restored by wealthy industrialists and decorated lavishly in High Medieval style during the mid 19c. Attached Images

31st July 2019, 12:35 PM	#42
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Subjet to interpretation .. These images are dated XVI century, included in the "Livre de Chasse" de Gaston Phoebus (Biblioteque Nationale de Paris). It happens that, Gaston Phoebus, Count of Foix, a great hunter and author of the work, lived in the XIV century, two centuries prior to the date attributed to the images. To crack the riddle, one has to learn that these images illustrated a later XVI century edition... as i aldo have them illustrating this book i have "Eight Centuries of Hunting in Portugal" (Miguel Sanches de Baêna - 1998). Mind you, i am not a hunter ... just happen to have been offered the book. . Attached Images Last edited by fernando; 31st July 2019 at 04:05 PM.

3rd September 2021, 06:51 AM	#44
ScottI Member Join Date: Jun 2021 Posts: 1	Boar sword Foxbat, did the boar sword arrive? Was it as you expected it would be?

23rd December 2017, 04:34 PM	#33
Foxbat Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 69	Thank you for the pictures, they do provide some additional insight!

23rd December 2017, 08:12 PM	#34
Victrix Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Sweden Posts: 697	I’m glad you enjoyed the photos Foxbat. Unfortunately the lighting was weak in the museum. In fact I triggered the alarm when I came too close to photograph some halberds makers marks. I’m glad they didn’t throw me out Merry Christmas to all.

1st January 2018, 11:56 AM	#36
broadaxe Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 332	General article I wrote several years ago on that topic, I wasn't aware back then about boar swords with permanently-fixed crossbars. Requires registration via either Google or Facebook: https://www.academia.edu/34183655/Hunting_Swords

31st July 2019, 05:47 AM	#39
Philip Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: California Posts: 1,036	Thanks for posting this image! Would you happen to know approximately what year the interior and its decoration were installed? I'm trying to pin a date on the scene itself, the costumes look a couple of centuries more recent than medieval. No big deal in and of itself -- even if it's 18th cent. the important thing is that it helps show the consistency of the basic boar spear concept across borders and centuries. The 15th cent, spear attributed to Prince Boris Aleksandrovich (Moscow Kremlin inv.no. 5867) would not, save for superficial decoration on its socket, be out of place among the modern piggy pokers sold in some gun shops catering to hunters in Germany and Poland. If it works, don't muck with it...