what type of sarung/scabbard fits this keris? - Page 2

A. G. Maisey · 30th May 2016, 04:07 AM

Green, if you re-read what I have written in my previous post, I believe that you will find that I have said the same as you, but in different words.

The difference is almost exactly as you put it, it is a difference between the values and beliefs of Javanese Abangan and Court cultures, compared with the Islamic cultures of other areas, and in fact, there is some similarity between the Santri values and beliefs of Jawa, and the values and beliefs of these other areas.

Nobody, least of all I, is claiming that the keris does not have its own status in keris bearing cultures outside the Jawa/Bali nexus, only that the hard-core Javanese perspective is that these other keris are lacking the elements that make the Javanese keris what it is, and that the understanding of the keris outside Jawa is at variance with the traditional Javanese understanding.

Laowang · 30th May 2016, 06:17 PM

A fine piece, Green, and all the better that you intend to do it justice.

Attached is a photograph of a not entirely dissimilar Sumatran keris (with considerably less luks, of course) that recently sold at auction, in Palembang dress, for your consideration.

Green · 31st May 2016, 01:56 PM

Laowang;

Yes, quite similar to mine. i'll go with palembang as majority voice here also agree with it. furthermore i went to a well known scabbard maker here and he thinks palembang is alright. went to another and he said may be another type close to tebar layar /typical malay cross piece is also ok...

none have any definitive answer although all agree it is an indonesian blade. and about the pendokok/mendak. went to a silversmith that works on keris hilt and sheath decoration , and he said it's gilded (gold over silver).

rasdan · 22nd October 2016, 04:52 PM

Hi Green,

I think there is a possibility that your keris orginated in Sumbawa. I attached few pictures of Sumbawan royals from the past.

Green · 23rd October 2016, 02:05 AM

Thanks Rasdan for the opinion. I had a quick search in the old posts in this forum nd looks like Sumbawa keris has scabbards similar to Bugis and Malay peninsula ones.

Hence , if mine is probably Sumbawan blade as you suggested, it won't be inappropriate to be sheathed in Malay sheath(?).

Btw, the blade is now currently sheahted in Malay scabbard... until i know for sure what is the correct one to replace it with .

30th May 2016, 06:17 PM	#32
Laowang Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: 40˚00' N, 83˚00' W Posts: 52	A fine piece, Green, and all the better that you intend to do it justice. Attached is a photograph of a not entirely dissimilar Sumatran keris (with considerably less luks, of course) that recently sold at auction, in Palembang dress, for your consideration. Attached Images

22nd October 2016, 04:52 PM	#34
rasdan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kuala Lumpur Posts: 368	Hi Green, I think there is a possibility that your keris orginated in Sumbawa. I attached few pictures of Sumbawan royals from the past. Attached Images

30th May 2016, 04:07 AM	#31
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,877	Green, if you re-read what I have written in my previous post, I believe that you will find that I have said the same as you, but in different words. The difference is almost exactly as you put it, it is a difference between the values and beliefs of Javanese Abangan and Court cultures, compared with the Islamic cultures of other areas, and in fact, there is some similarity between the Santri values and beliefs of Jawa, and the values and beliefs of these other areas. Nobody, least of all I, is claiming that the keris does not have its own status in keris bearing cultures outside the Jawa/Bali nexus, only that the hard-core Javanese perspective is that these other keris are lacking the elements that make the Javanese keris what it is, and that the understanding of the keris outside Jawa is at variance with the traditional Javanese understanding.

31st May 2016, 01:56 PM	#33
Green Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Malaysia Posts: 312	Laowang; Yes, quite similar to mine. i'll go with palembang as majority voice here also agree with it. furthermore i went to a well known scabbard maker here and he thinks palembang is alright. went to another and he said may be another type close to tebar layar /typical malay cross piece is also ok... none have any definitive answer although all agree it is an indonesian blade. and about the pendokok/mendak. went to a silversmith that works on keris hilt and sheath decoration , and he said it's gilded (gold over silver).

23rd October 2016, 02:05 AM	#35
Green Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Malaysia Posts: 312	Thanks Rasdan for the opinion. I had a quick search in the old posts in this forum nd looks like Sumbawa keris has scabbards similar to Bugis and Malay peninsula ones. Hence , if mine is probably Sumbawan blade as you suggested, it won't be inappropriate to be sheathed in Malay sheath(?). Btw, the blade is now currently sheahted in Malay scabbard... until i know for sure what is the correct one to replace it with .