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A. G. Maisey · 11th April 2018, 01:48 PM

The forging that the keris is carved from is only approximate to the finished keris, so yes, if I say "carving" I'm talking about all the metal that needs to be removed to produce a finished keris. Modern makers use modern tools, various types of electric grinders and so on, but the traditional tools are files and scrapers.The electric tools speed up production, which means that keris can be produced at a price that people can afford to pay. These same modern makers could as easily use the old traditional tools, but the time used would rise a lot, which means the price would rise a lot, and buyers are generally not willing to pay for weeks of work as opposed to days of work.

jagabuwana · 24th April 2018, 12:15 PM

I see, yes that makes sense. When you made your first keris, what dhapur did you choose and why? Is there a particular dhapur that is commonly attempted or made first by a maker, according to tradition?

A. G. Maisey · 25th April 2018, 01:05 AM

The first keris I made was a patrem in Dhapur Brojol, Pamor Wos Wutah. It was crude. It was not a matter of choice, it was a matter of making all I was capable of making at that time.

The second keris I made was made under the supervision of Empu Suparman Supowijoyo, it was a full size Surakarta keris, Sinom Robyong, pamor wos wutah. This dhapur was chosen for me by Empu Suparman because it covers all of the most difficult ricikan:- if you can make Sinom Robyong, you can make anything.

I know of no traditions governing what dhapur should be made first by a beginning maker.

jagabuwana · 25th April 2018, 12:19 PM

Thanks Alan. In my research thus far, dhapur brojol seems like the appropriate (if not only) dhapur for me to attempt as it appears "modest" in comparison to others, and seems to have the least amount of carving involved. I think my first attempt will surely be crude as yours was, maybe even more so given my lack of skill. But I'll be happy to have a finished product regardless.

11th April 2018, 01:48 PM	#31
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,887	The forging that the keris is carved from is only approximate to the finished keris, so yes, if I say "carving" I'm talking about all the metal that needs to be removed to produce a finished keris. Modern makers use modern tools, various types of electric grinders and so on, but the traditional tools are files and scrapers.The electric tools speed up production, which means that keris can be produced at a price that people can afford to pay. These same modern makers could as easily use the old traditional tools, but the time used would rise a lot, which means the price would rise a lot, and buyers are generally not willing to pay for weeks of work as opposed to days of work.

24th April 2018, 12:15 PM	#32
jagabuwana Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 280	I see, yes that makes sense. When you made your first keris, what dhapur did you choose and why? Is there a particular dhapur that is commonly attempted or made first by a maker, according to tradition?

25th April 2018, 01:05 AM	#33
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,887	The first keris I made was a patrem in Dhapur Brojol, Pamor Wos Wutah. It was crude. It was not a matter of choice, it was a matter of making all I was capable of making at that time. The second keris I made was made under the supervision of Empu Suparman Supowijoyo, it was a full size Surakarta keris, Sinom Robyong, pamor wos wutah. This dhapur was chosen for me by Empu Suparman because it covers all of the most difficult ricikan:- if you can make Sinom Robyong, you can make anything. I know of no traditions governing what dhapur should be made first by a beginning maker.

25th April 2018, 12:19 PM	#34
jagabuwana Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 280	Thanks Alan. In my research thus far, dhapur brojol seems like the appropriate (if not only) dhapur for me to attempt as it appears "modest" in comparison to others, and seems to have the least amount of carving involved. I think my first attempt will surely be crude as yours was, maybe even more so given my lack of skill. But I'll be happy to have a finished product regardless.