Keris Coteng - Page 2

maxbliss888 · 10th June 2015, 04:52 AM

Close up

maxbliss888 · 10th June 2015, 12:18 PM

Better photo I hope

Rick · 10th June 2015, 01:30 PM

Much better .
Thanks !

maxbliss888 · 12th June 2015, 03:06 PM

Met a fellow collector of Coteng from Thailand..

maxbliss888 · 12th June 2015, 03:09 PM

Closer view

maxbliss888 · 12th June 2015, 03:12 PM

Coteng

maxbliss888 · 12th June 2015, 03:18 PM

Hope you like the photo showing different Coteng in different length

maxbliss888 · 12th June 2015, 03:20 PM

Showing Coteng

maxbliss888 · 13th June 2015, 04:44 AM

I know many collectors here prefers to have strong blades and strong Keris.

Please bear with me. It seems that there are differences in the Coteng carvings as seen below. I was told that besides Wooden hilt, silver holt, there is also Coteng hilt made in Brass. Anyone seen Coteng hilt using other materials?

maxbliss888 · 13th June 2015, 04:53 AM

i have spoken with fellow Thai Keris collectors and they have confirmed that vintage Coteng comes mainly from Yala, Songkla or Narathiwat. However, I was told that one would not be able to see them so often in these cities now.

Another question that I have asked is with regards to why most Coteng is relatively shorter compare with the Longer Tajong and it seems is the result of the preferences from the region as those who prefer Coteng prefer it to be discreet. I have asked further why the conditions of the Coteng is not as well kept as the other Keris and the answer is that these Cotengs were used during their days and were not merely display Keris...

Just wanted to share what I have heard...

BluErf · 13th June 2015, 05:20 AM

Good authentic cotengs! Glad you went to the right dealer and bought the right stuff. Well done!

The age of these kerises are very difficult to ascertain. They are probably pre-20th century, but even then, hard to be sure.

I have the idea that silver covered coteng are generally younger than the old plainer wooden ones. Tajongs and cotengs are related, and at some point shared a common ancestor. However, they evolved along their own paths and became distinct subforms. Hence, nit all cotengs are older than every tajong you see.

In terms of upper limits on age, the earliest coteng/tajong specimens found are probably around 2-300yrs old. So the proto-coteng probably came to the north Malay peninsula region around 16th-17th century. That's just theory though.

maxbliss888 · 13th June 2015, 11:42 AM

The Tajong are also getting harder to find here in Thailand as many have restored new handles.

Have you travelled to Trengganu? Are there many antique Tajong or Coteng there?

BluErf · 13th June 2015, 02:23 PM

Good ones are mostly in private collections. Mediocre ones for sale can still be found, but even then, they are getting harder to get and expensive.

maxbliss888 · 16th June 2015, 01:16 AM

Another Coteng to share..

maxbliss888 · 16th June 2015, 02:08 AM

There are many variations of Coteng. This example of Coteng has a sharper beak compare to the earlier..

rasdan · 16th June 2015, 06:35 AM

Does anybody know the purpose of keris coteng?

Everyday weapon use, court use, wedding keris or pusaka?

maxbliss888 · 16th June 2015, 03:20 PM

ı ʂ℘ơƙɛ ῳıɬɧ ą ʄɛῳ ƈơƖƖɛƈɬơཞs from Thailand, they have confirmed that these Coteng they found in the homes of the original owners were used by their ancestors...

maxbliss888 · 16th June 2015, 03:30 PM

This Coteng has a straight blade..For those who prefers a stronger blade..

maxbliss888 · 17th June 2015, 02:20 PM

Day light photo

maxbliss888 · 18th June 2015, 07:55 AM

Has any one seen this Coteng wooden handle? It looks like a Tajong but it's a Coteng

Sajen · 18th June 2015, 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maxbliss888

Has any one seen this Coteng wooden handle? It looks like a Tajong but it's a Coteng

Very nice Coteng handle, maybe a transition piece.

Regards,
Detlef

maxbliss888 · 18th June 2015, 04:08 PM

A fellow collector's Coteng

kai · 18th June 2015, 07:51 PM

Hello Max,

Quote:

Has any one seen this Coteng wooden handle? It looks like a Tajong but it's a Coteng

To me this looks like a nice, probably early hulu Tajong: while really small, it does have a ridge below its chin which clearly represents a beard despite being smaller than usual (as compared with typical hulu Tajong).

AFAIK, hulu Coteng never have a beard and the typical flat head. The hilt you show has a considerably heavier head (again like typical hulu Tajong).

What is the reasoning of your local contacts? (Assuming they favor the classification of this hilt as hulu Coteng?)

Regards,
Kai

kai · 18th June 2015, 07:55 PM

Hello Max,

Thanks for posting all these keris Coteng (from your and other collections) for future reference!

Quote:

For those who prefers a stronger blade..

Some really neat examples, congrats!

Regards,
Kai

maxbliss888 · 19th June 2015, 01:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kai

Hello Max,

To me this looks like a nice, probably early hulu Tajong: while really small, it does have a ridge below its chin which clearly represents a beard despite being smaller than usual (as compared with typical hulu Tajong).

AFAIK, hulu Coteng never have a beard and the typical flat head. The hilt you show has a considerably heavier head (again like typical hulu Tajong).

What is the reasoning of your local contacts? (Assuming they favor the classification of this hilt as hulu Coteng?)

Regards,
Kai

Thanks for your input.

The classification between Tajong and Coteng is often blurred here in this instance, which is why I thought it will be good to share with fellow collectors here. I have thought that since Thailand is the place for Tajong and Coteng, there will be opportunities to see more of these, but it Its not the case...

Hope you all enjoy the photos...

maxbliss888 · 19th June 2015, 03:26 AM

A few Coteng to share...

BluErf · 28th June 2015, 04:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maxbliss888

Has any one seen this Coteng wooden handle? It looks like a Tajong but it's a Coteng

This would normally be classified as a tajong. The form is closer to a mid-late period tajong.

It has a boxier form, and a rudimentary beard, from the looks of the photo.

A "kampung"" quality hilt, which is still nice, but not exactly an archetype form to do deep analysis on.

maxbliss888 · 28th June 2015, 09:56 AM

A friend's Coteng

maxbliss888 · 28th June 2015, 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BluErf

This would normally be classified as a tajong. The form is closer to a mid-late period tajong.

It has a boxier form, and a rudimentary beard, from the looks of the photo.

A "kampung"" quality hilt, which is still nice, but not exactly an archetype form to do deep analysis on.

Thanks..

First time I heard the term Kampung quality hilt... : ı thought all Keris are made in some kampong somewhere during the ancient days...

BluErf · 28th June 2015, 03:47 PM

I meant good enough to wear around in the kampung, but not fine enough for the higher social strata. Sorry, this sounds politically incorrect, but that's the way art is. The centre of wealth and political power breeds high excellence in artistic expression which form the pinnacles of art that ordinary folks copy, emulate and aspire to own/consume. Like all facsimiles, definition is lost in the process.

10th June 2015, 04:52 AM	#31
maxbliss888 Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Bangkok Posts: 150	Coteng Close up Attached Images

10th June 2015, 12:18 PM	#32
maxbliss888 Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Bangkok Posts: 150	Co teng blade Better photo I hope Attached Images

12th June 2015, 03:06 PM	#34
maxbliss888 Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Bangkok Posts: 150	Coteng Met a fellow collector of Coteng from Thailand.. Attached Images

12th June 2015, 03:09 PM	#35
maxbliss888 Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Bangkok Posts: 150	Coteng Closer view Attached Images

12th June 2015, 03:12 PM	#36
maxbliss888 Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Bangkok Posts: 150	Coteng Coteng Attached Images

10th June 2015, 01:30 PM	#33
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,290	Much better . Thanks !

12th June 2015, 03:18 PM	#37
maxbliss888 Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Bangkok Posts: 150	Coteng Hope you like the photo showing different Coteng in different length Attached Images

12th June 2015, 03:20 PM	#38
maxbliss888 Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Bangkok Posts: 150	Different coteng Showing Coteng Attached Images

13th June 2015, 04:44 AM	#39
maxbliss888 Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Bangkok Posts: 150	Coteng I know many collectors here prefers to have strong blades and strong Keris. Please bear with me. It seems that there are differences in the Coteng carvings as seen below. I was told that besides Wooden hilt, silver holt, there is also Coteng hilt made in Brass. Anyone seen Coteng hilt using other materials? Attached Images

13th June 2015, 04:53 AM	#40
maxbliss888 Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Bangkok Posts: 150	Coteng Hilt i have spoken with fellow Thai Keris collectors and they have confirmed that vintage Coteng comes mainly from Yala, Songkla or Narathiwat. However, I was told that one would not be able to see them so often in these cities now. Another question that I have asked is with regards to why most Coteng is relatively shorter compare with the Longer Tajong and it seems is the result of the preferences from the region as those who prefer Coteng prefer it to be discreet. I have asked further why the conditions of the Coteng is not as well kept as the other Keris and the answer is that these Cotengs were used during their days and were not merely display Keris... Just wanted to share what I have heard... Attached Images

13th June 2015, 05:20 AM	#41
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	Good authentic cotengs! Glad you went to the right dealer and bought the right stuff. Well done! The age of these kerises are very difficult to ascertain. They are probably pre-20th century, but even then, hard to be sure. I have the idea that silver covered coteng are generally younger than the old plainer wooden ones. Tajongs and cotengs are related, and at some point shared a common ancestor. However, they evolved along their own paths and became distinct subforms. Hence, nit all cotengs are older than every tajong you see. In terms of upper limits on age, the earliest coteng/tajong specimens found are probably around 2-300yrs old. So the proto-coteng probably came to the north Malay peninsula region around 16th-17th century. That's just theory though.

13th June 2015, 11:42 AM	#42
maxbliss888 Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Bangkok Posts: 150	Coteng The Tajong are also getting harder to find here in Thailand as many have restored new handles. Have you travelled to Trengganu? Are there many antique Tajong or Coteng there?

13th June 2015, 02:23 PM	#43
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	Good ones are mostly in private collections. Mediocre ones for sale can still be found, but even then, they are getting harder to get and expensive.

16th June 2015, 01:16 AM	#44
maxbliss888 Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Bangkok Posts: 150	Coteng to share Another Coteng to share.. Attached Images

16th June 2015, 02:08 AM	#45
maxbliss888 Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Bangkok Posts: 150	Coteng variations There are many variations of Coteng. This example of Coteng has a sharper beak compare to the earlier.. Attached Images

16th June 2015, 06:35 AM	#46
rasdan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kuala Lumpur Posts: 368	Does anybody know the purpose of keris coteng? Everyday weapon use, court use, wedding keris or pusaka?

16th June 2015, 03:20 PM	#47
maxbliss888 Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Bangkok Posts: 150	Coteng ı ʂ℘ơƙɛ ῳıɬɧ ą ʄɛῳ ƈơƖƖɛƈɬơཞs from Thailand, they have confirmed that these Coteng they found in the homes of the original owners were used by their ancestors... Attached Images

16th June 2015, 03:30 PM	#48
maxbliss888 Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Bangkok Posts: 150	Coteng variations This Coteng has a straight blade..For those who prefers a stronger blade.. Attached Images Last edited by maxbliss888; 16th June 2015 at 03:45 PM.

17th June 2015, 02:20 PM	#49
maxbliss888 Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Bangkok Posts: 150	Blade Day light photo Attached Images

18th June 2015, 07:55 AM	#50
maxbliss888 Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Bangkok Posts: 150	Coteng with older wooden handle Has any one seen this Coteng wooden handle? It looks like a Tajong but it's a Coteng Attached Images Last edited by maxbliss888; 18th June 2015 at 07:56 AM. Reason: Add details

18th June 2015, 04:08 PM	#52
maxbliss888 Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Bangkok Posts: 150	Coteng wooden A fellow collector's Coteng Attached Images

19th June 2015, 03:26 AM	#56
maxbliss888 Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Bangkok Posts: 150	Coteng A few Coteng to share... Attached Images

28th June 2015, 09:56 AM	#58
maxbliss888 Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Bangkok Posts: 150	Coteng A friend's Coteng Attached Images

28th June 2015, 03:47 PM	#60
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	I meant good enough to wear around in the kampung, but not fine enough for the higher social strata. Sorry, this sounds politically incorrect, but that's the way art is. The centre of wealth and political power breeds high excellence in artistic expression which form the pinnacles of art that ordinary folks copy, emulate and aspire to own/consume. Like all facsimiles, definition is lost in the process. Attached Images