Jimpul ex.collection W.O. Oldman - Page 2

Dajak · 30th March 2006, 05:59 PM

Hi Barry the price is 340.00 dollar in euro s 285,00 so not to bad for the parang

But it is not an mandau.

A mandau is also made for headhunting and have an amount of magic and mystery is involved by making it without these things it is an Dyak sword and no mandau.

The one on ebay is not an mandau by the dayak rules this can be read page
79 headhunters and woodcarvers from Coppens

VANDOO · 30th March 2006, 09:42 PM

THE SUBJECT OF DAYAK WEAPONS SEEMS TO GET MORE COMPLICATED AND CONFUSING

I WAS NOT CLEAR ON WHAT A JIMPUL IS NOW I HAVE NO IDEA OF WHAT A MANDAU IS

. IS IT A STYLE OF WEAPON CARRIED BY ONE GROUP, OR IS THE NAME ONLY GIVEN TO ANY TYPE OF SWORD THAT HAS TAKEN A HEAD. UNFORTUNATELY I DON'T HAVE THE REFRENCE QUOTED. I DID GET A BOOK ON DAYAK WEAPONS BUT IT IS IN GERMAN, NICE PICTURES NOW ALL I NEED IS A GERMAN TO READ IT TO ME

I THINK THE PARANG SOLD ON EBAY WAS NOT TOO BAD OF A DEAL AT THAT PRICE AS THEY ARE NOT COMMON AND ARE USED IN CEREMONYS , WEDINGS AND SHOWS BY THE DAYAKS THEMSELVES SO I DON'T CONSIDER THEM AS JUST FOR THE TOURIST MARKET. I SUSPECT IT WOULD NOT BE CHEAP TO PURCHASE ONE WITH THAT DEGREE OF WORKMANSHIP NEW IN BORNEO TODAY.

Dajak · 31st March 2006, 06:02 PM

Hi Barry wich book you have in german I might trade it for a english one if you like.

The "mandau" (parang) on ebay was a nice piece for that money . but it had not the intention t be as a gift or ceremonial weapon.

VANDOO · 1st April 2006, 03:52 AM

THE BOOK I HAVE IN GERMAN IS (MALEREI UND TECHNISCHE KUNSTE BEI DEN DAYAKS). BY A. R. HEIN ALSO WITH (INDONESICHE SCHWERTGRIFFE) BY W. HEIN. IT APPEARS TO BE A GOOD BOOK WITH LOTS OF DAYAK DESIGNS ESPECIALLY SHIELDS WITH SWORDS FROM BORNEO, NIAS AS WELL AS OTHER COUNTRYS AND ISLANDS IN THE REGION. I WOULD CERTIANLY TRADE FOR A COPY IN ENGLISH BUT CAN AT LEAST SEE A LARGE VARIETY OF THINGS DAYAK I HAD NOT SEEN BEFORE IT WAS NOT A CHEAP BOOK. I GOT IT RECENTLY ON EBAY FROM MANDAUKUDI AS MOST OF THE GOOD REFRENCES SEEM TO BE IN LANGUAGES OTHER THAN ENGLISH AND I HOPE I CAN PUZZLE IT OUT OVER TIME. IS IT A GOOD REFRENCE OR WOULD I BE BETTER OFF WITH SOMETHING ELSE?

Dajak · 1st April 2006, 05:44 AM

Hi Barry this is an good book and no translation in Enlish so I would keep it

But there is a nice catalogue from Coppens wich is a nice information book,
and the shelford plubication wich can be copyed .

Asian Collector · 19th April 2006, 08:12 PM

Hello Group:

Have seen in recent times more than several very good quality mandau handles on the sword that have a very old looking smoked patina. Some, of course show up on ebay in the past have this, but they appear to be fake overall. What confuses me is that some really appear to have a smokey patina and are very good quality and old. Is this because they are smoked originally, left in a longhouse and pick it up there and have never been cleaned or what? It seems that most nice dayak mandau have been rubbed or kept clean on the handle. If the rest of the sword is not smoked patina and the handle is; isn't this a little suspicious also?
Appreciate your comments,
Asian Collector

Dajak · 19th April 2006, 09:50 PM

HI Asian collector if a handle is smoked I always suspicious because the handle is the most touched off the mandau .
It can be turned a little yellow from the time but not to dark as the mostly you see. the old man Jimpul is about 150 years old dark in and glossy at the parts that have been touched .

Dajak · 23rd April 2006, 05:20 PM

From the oldman cataloque

Dajak · 7th December 2006, 07:33 AM

Here are some nice rare handle s too

Ben

Mytribalworld · 7th December 2006, 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dajak

Here are some nice rare handle s too

Ben

Hi Ben,

here's the Jimpul I bought this week.
didn't she tell you that it had a scabbard?
note the very old brass hook and the ols piece of bone on the belt.

Arjan.

www.thehornbill.com

Dajak · 7th December 2006, 08:21 AM

Hi Arjan can you show me the end off the scabbard

Ben

Mytribalworld · 7th December 2006, 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dajak

Hi Arjan can you show me the end off the scabbard

Ben

hi Ben,

here some other details.

Arjan.

Dajak · 7th December 2006, 07:29 PM

Hi Arjan this is old style scabbard

Ben

Mytribalworld · 7th December 2006, 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dajak

Hi Arjan this is old style scabbard

Ben

Hi Ben,

according the seller it was in their family before 1920.
do you have any examples with this scaabard end?

arjan.

Dajak · 8th December 2006, 05:22 AM

Hi Arjan I have to search
I have seen latoks with this scabbard type

Ben

asomotif · 6th October 2008, 10:26 PM

Bumped up for Bill.
Check out your new / old(man) catalogue.

ariel · 10th October 2008, 07:13 AM

I would love to see a pic of a Mandau or Jimpul that went quietly for 5-6 K! Anyone has something like that for our education?

Dajak · 10th October 2008, 10:45 PM

Hi Ariel the headman Jimpul from me that did sell fast for more than 7500.00 dollar

The Oldman will went over 10.000.00 dollar if it will come on the market

But that one will not have the time to reach ebay it will be sold at the moment I decide .( there is an waiting list for that one)

Ben

19th April 2006, 08:12 PM	#36
Asian Collector Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1	Mandau handle with smoke patina Hello Group: Have seen in recent times more than several very good quality mandau handles on the sword that have a very old looking smoked patina. Some, of course show up on ebay in the past have this, but they appear to be fake overall. What confuses me is that some really appear to have a smokey patina and are very good quality and old. Is this because they are smoked originally, left in a longhouse and pick it up there and have never been cleaned or what? It seems that most nice dayak mandau have been rubbed or kept clean on the handle. If the rest of the sword is not smoked patina and the handle is; isn't this a little suspicious also? Appreciate your comments, Asian Collector

23rd April 2006, 05:20 PM	#38
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	From the oldman cataloque Attached Images

6th October 2008, 10:26 PM	#46
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,224	BUMP for Bill Bumped up for Bill. Check out your new / old(man) catalogue.

10th October 2008, 10:45 PM	#48
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi Ariel the headman Jimpul from me that did sell fast for more than 7500.00 dollar The Oldman will went over 10.000.00 dollar if it will come on the market But that one will not have the time to reach ebay it will be sold at the moment I decide .( there is an waiting list for that one) Ben Last edited by Dajak; 11th October 2008 at 08:26 AM.

30th March 2006, 05:59 PM	#31
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi Barry the price is 340.00 dollar in euro s 285,00 so not to bad for the parang But it is not an mandau. A mandau is also made for headhunting and have an amount of magic and mystery is involved by making it without these things it is an Dyak sword and no mandau. The one on ebay is not an mandau by the dayak rules this can be read page 79 headhunters and woodcarvers from Coppens

30th March 2006, 09:42 PM	#32
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	THE SUBJECT OF DAYAK WEAPONS SEEMS TO GET MORE COMPLICATED AND CONFUSING I WAS NOT CLEAR ON WHAT A JIMPUL IS NOW I HAVE NO IDEA OF WHAT A MANDAU IS . IS IT A STYLE OF WEAPON CARRIED BY ONE GROUP, OR IS THE NAME ONLY GIVEN TO ANY TYPE OF SWORD THAT HAS TAKEN A HEAD. UNFORTUNATELY I DON'T HAVE THE REFRENCE QUOTED. I DID GET A BOOK ON DAYAK WEAPONS BUT IT IS IN GERMAN, NICE PICTURES NOW ALL I NEED IS A GERMAN TO READ IT TO ME I THINK THE PARANG SOLD ON EBAY WAS NOT TOO BAD OF A DEAL AT THAT PRICE AS THEY ARE NOT COMMON AND ARE USED IN CEREMONYS , WEDINGS AND SHOWS BY THE DAYAKS THEMSELVES SO I DON'T CONSIDER THEM AS JUST FOR THE TOURIST MARKET. I SUSPECT IT WOULD NOT BE CHEAP TO PURCHASE ONE WITH THAT DEGREE OF WORKMANSHIP NEW IN BORNEO TODAY.

31st March 2006, 06:02 PM	#33
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi Barry wich book you have in german I might trade it for a english one if you like. The "mandau" (parang) on ebay was a nice piece for that money . but it had not the intention t be as a gift or ceremonial weapon.

1st April 2006, 03:52 AM	#34
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	THE BOOK I HAVE IN GERMAN IS (MALEREI UND TECHNISCHE KUNSTE BEI DEN DAYAKS). BY A. R. HEIN ALSO WITH (INDONESICHE SCHWERTGRIFFE) BY W. HEIN. IT APPEARS TO BE A GOOD BOOK WITH LOTS OF DAYAK DESIGNS ESPECIALLY SHIELDS WITH SWORDS FROM BORNEO, NIAS AS WELL AS OTHER COUNTRYS AND ISLANDS IN THE REGION. I WOULD CERTIANLY TRADE FOR A COPY IN ENGLISH BUT CAN AT LEAST SEE A LARGE VARIETY OF THINGS DAYAK I HAD NOT SEEN BEFORE IT WAS NOT A CHEAP BOOK. I GOT IT RECENTLY ON EBAY FROM MANDAUKUDI AS MOST OF THE GOOD REFRENCES SEEM TO BE IN LANGUAGES OTHER THAN ENGLISH AND I HOPE I CAN PUZZLE IT OUT OVER TIME. IS IT A GOOD REFRENCE OR WOULD I BE BETTER OFF WITH SOMETHING ELSE?

1st April 2006, 05:44 AM	#35
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi Barry this is an good book and no translation in Enlish so I would keep it But there is a nice catalogue from Coppens wich is a nice information book, and the shelford plubication wich can be copyed .

19th April 2006, 09:50 PM	#37
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	HI Asian collector if a handle is smoked I always suspicious because the handle is the most touched off the mandau . It can be turned a little yellow from the time but not to dark as the mostly you see. the old man Jimpul is about 150 years old dark in and glossy at the parts that have been touched .

7th December 2006, 07:33 AM	#39
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Here are some nice rare handle s too Ben

7th December 2006, 08:21 AM	#41
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi Arjan can you show me the end off the scabbard Ben

7th December 2006, 07:29 PM	#43
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi Arjan this is old style scabbard Ben

8th December 2006, 05:22 AM	#45
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi Arjan I have to search I have seen latoks with this scabbard type Ben

10th October 2008, 07:13 AM	#47
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	I would love to see a pic of a Mandau or Jimpul that went quietly for 5-6 K! Anyone has something like that for our education?