Indonesian ? spear for I.D. and comment

[asomotif]

Originally Posted by Battara

I know that the blade is Javanese, but I also thought the brass sleeve was also Javanese style as well?
Nice piece in any case........

The sleeve is dirty but underneath the dirt it is sort of silver colour. I think it is a nickle alloy.

I have seen this type of sleeve decoration on Javanese, Sumatran and Borneo spears.
In RMV, Leiden I found an example that appears to be from Sulawesi.(see earlier in this thread)
So I can not pin-point it to a specific Island or region.
Maybe they where traded. maybe the silver craftsmen where scattered over te Islands coastal regions.

Best regards,
Willem

[asomotif]

Originally Posted by Maurice

Nice spear Willem.
Any provenance?

Hi Maurice,

Old German collection, but not more specific than that.
It came with 2 others.

[Gavin Nugent]

Posts 24 & 27 present the spear types recorded as Sulawesi based on Asomotif's Wereldmuseum attribution….but there seems to be conjecture about the possible origins throughout the thread.

Being a spear collector, it was bought to my attention, that Artzi had recently sold one of these types that he attributes to Thailand...Whilst don't think Thailand, for those more learned on Thai arms, is there any possibility these are from Thailand or the Malay borders of Thailand?

I ask because, whilst Artzi mentions no provenance, there is on a miniature scale and design, similarities in the way they carry a tsuba like sleeve as seen on Thai spears...although overall they differ so much in size, proportions & design ...

The blade type all seem to be in Java(ish) style with most I have seen having a differential core.

Thoughts and opinions on this attribution

Gavin

[asomotif]

Originally Posted by SwordsAntiqueWeapons

Posts 24 & 27 present the spear types recorded as Sulawesi based on Asomotif's Wereldmuseum attribution….but there seems to be conjecture about the possible origins throughout the thread.

Being a spear collector, it was bought to my attention, that Artzi had recently sold one of these types that he attributes to Thailand...Whilst don't think Thailand, for those more learned on Thai arms, is there any possibility these are from Thailand or the Malay borders of Thailand?

I ask because, whilst Artzi mentions no provenance, there is on a miniature scale and design, similarities in the way they carry a tsuba like sleeve as seen on Thai spears...although overall they differ so much in size, proportions & design ...

The blade type all seem to be in Java(ish) style with most I have seen having a differential core.

Thoughts and opinions on this attribution

Gavin

Hello Gavin,

Here is are pictures of Artzi's Thai Spear and 1 from my example, now with cleaned metalsleev.
I see a lot of similarities with my example, that I think to be from Borneo.

- Both spears have a javanese blade.
- Both have the same metal decorated sleeves that we see on a lot of malay areas.
- Both have a dark hardwood shaft.
- Both have a scabbard of 2 parts, held together with rattan.

[Gavin Nugent]

I have been reading through various books and have also found further information and images noting that spears with these collars and blade types are from South Sulawesi....I hope it helps with supporting allocations already noted and more specifically, being from southern Sulawesi.

Gavin

[asomotif]

Digging up this old thread.
Just bought a Katalog describing a exposition in a German Museum.
3 spears contributed to Borneo.
Note the shaft of the upper and lower example as well as the sheaths.

[Albert]

Originally Posted by asomotif

Digging up this old thread.
Just bought a Katalog describing a exposition in a German Museum.
3 spears contributed to Borneo.
Note the shaft of the upper and lower example as well as the sheaths.

I am interested in this Katalog.
Does it contain more information on Indonesian weapons?
What is the title?

[asomotif]

The Catalog is in German and the title is "Flussaufwaerts"
200 pages, many pictures of Dayak objects from the Makahakam area collected in the 1970's - 1980's

I have a few copies available.

Best regards,
Willem