Great Qama - Page 2

Interested Party · 30th June 2020, 08:36 PM

Gonzoadler · 30th June 2020, 10:21 PM

Thank's to all for the previous comments.
@Interested Party
Thank you for the pictures from Rivkin's book which show the comparable daggers I searched for. The author also thinks that these daggers were made in Tiflis. Because a number of experts and collectors have this opinion, I accept this thesis. Rivkin also thinks that such blades were made between 1810 and 1830, I think so, too. Later Kindjals and Qamas from the second half of the 19th. century have no blades of this high quality.
@ariel
The persian influence is unquestionable and what do you think is the other influence your previous writer means than an artistic one?

I have one more question: Is anybody here in the forum who knows which flowers are pictured on the blade and the scabbard-mounting?

A very similar flower you can also see on the dagger in the first picture of post 29.

Wootzo · 1st July 2020, 11:30 AM

A very fine example of the early georgian Kindjal. 1830-1840 would be the probable period. In these times, there were a few artisans creating high-quality arms in the area. These are the types of daggers that made Tiflis famous at the time.

Same period as the great masters working in the area. Truly the "Golden Age" of Tiflis arms craftmanship. These style of decoration are very typical.

You should consider sending your dagger to Gotscha Lagidze for restoration in the Netherland.

alex8765 · 4th July 2020, 02:51 AM

I vote for Georgian too.

ariel · 4th July 2020, 07:36 AM

I shall pass on your question re. images of flowers:
My wife had been exasperated with my ignorance in botany. She is sure that for me there are only 2 kinds of flowers: those with thorns are roses, those without - tulips:-(((((
I am absolutely the worst person to ask that question. Sorry....

As to it’s origin, I again see no Persian influence: IMHO it is purely Georgian.
Also, I do not see any reason for restoration; it is in a perfect shape.

Gonzoadler · 4th July 2020, 11:16 PM

I compared the flower with some pictures from the internet and now I think it is a thistle, maybe a gold thistle. There are some differences between the picture and a real gold thistle, but thats artistic freedom

The deer is probably a roebuck.

30th June 2020, 10:21 PM	#32
Gonzoadler Member Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: Germany Posts: 244	Thank's to all for the previous comments. @Interested Party Thank you for the pictures from Rivkin's book which show the comparable daggers I searched for. The author also thinks that these daggers were made in Tiflis. Because a number of experts and collectors have this opinion, I accept this thesis. Rivkin also thinks that such blades were made between 1810 and 1830, I think so, too. Later Kindjals and Qamas from the second half of the 19th. century have no blades of this high quality. @ariel The persian influence is unquestionable and what do you think is the other influence your previous writer means than an artistic one? I have one more question: Is anybody here in the forum who knows which flowers are pictured on the blade and the scabbard-mounting? A very similar flower you can also see on the dagger in the first picture of post 29. Attached Images

4th July 2020, 07:36 AM	#35
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	I shall pass on your question re. images of flowers: My wife had been exasperated with my ignorance in botany. She is sure that for me there are only 2 kinds of flowers: those with thorns are roses, those without - tulips:-((((( I am absolutely the worst person to ask that question. Sorry.... As to it’s origin, I again see no Persian influence: IMHO it is purely Georgian. Also, I do not see any reason for restoration; it is in a perfect shape. Last edited by ariel; 4th July 2020 at 07:47 AM.

4th July 2020, 11:16 PM	#36
Gonzoadler Member Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: Germany Posts: 244	I compared the flower with some pictures from the internet and now I think it is a thistle, maybe a gold thistle. There are some differences between the picture and a real gold thistle, but thats artistic freedom The deer is probably a roebuck. Attached Images

30th June 2020, 08:36 PM	#31
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1st July 2020, 11:30 AM	#33
Wootzo Member Join Date: Oct 2019 Posts: 1	A very fine example of the early georgian Kindjal. 1830-1840 would be the probable period. In these times, there were a few artisans creating high-quality arms in the area. These are the types of daggers that made Tiflis famous at the time. Same period as the great masters working in the area. Truly the "Golden Age" of Tiflis arms craftmanship. These style of decoration are very typical. You should consider sending your dagger to Gotscha Lagidze for restoration in the Netherland.

4th July 2020, 02:51 AM	#34
alex8765 Member Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: NYC Posts: 63	I vote for Georgian too.