New book about keris

[David]

Thanks Simatua, great link!

[Marcokeris]

SIMATUA: GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Alam Shah]

Originally Posted by simatua

For the ones that does not have it yet
http://www.topmdi.com/java/doc/EnsiklopediaKeris.pdf

Is this an early draft of the Ensiklopedi Keris?
There are only 86 pages, whilst the Ensiklopedi Keris is a whopping 630 pages. From the header, it's labelled as "A to Z – Sesuatu mengenai KERIS dan TOMBAK" and from the footer of the document, it's labelled as "KERIS – SENJATA TRADISIONAL INDONESIA. Is there a book by the title of the header or footer?

[A. G. Maisey]

Yeah, this struck me too, Shahrial.

I suspect that what we might be looking at is an edited version of one or other of the two editions of Ensiklopedi.

The first edition---Ensiklopedi Budaya Nasional--- does not line up with the page entries, nor does the second edition---Ensiklopedi Keris.

I suspect that whoever prepared this for publication on the web has gone through it and edited out entries that do not refer to keris and tombak. I did a couple of test checks on entries relating to people, and I cannot find entries to correspond with the entries in the hardcopies.Also lots of stuff missing for weapons other than keris and tombak.

In any case, whatever has been done to it, its not a complete version of either of the hardcopies, but that said, it is still a useful reference.

I don't think it is a separate publication, but it might be. Its not listed under the web title in David van Duuren's bibliography, and it could be expected to be so listed if it was published prior to Ensiklopedi Budaya.

Maybe what you suggest about it being an early draft might be the answer.

[Alam Shah]

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

... I have not heard of this one, nor seen it.
Do you have chapter headings? Anything about the author?

This is an English only discussion group, so if you wish, you can PM me. Thanks.

As mentioned... here are the picture of the book and its contents pages. The extras I found in this book is that it analyses the supply and demand, with a flow chart covering the major keris markets, on a general level.

In the Executive Summary, Malay Art Gallery was mentioned, specifically.
The layout and illustration needs improvement. It feels like reading a report than a book.

[A. G. Maisey]

Thanks for your efforts in this matter, Shahrial.

I'll be in Solo in a couple of weeks, and I'll see if I can get hold of a copy at that time---if its still in print. A lot of books in Indonesia are produced on very short print runs.

Check your PM.

[Alam Shah]

Originally Posted by Marcokeris

...The author of the book is Mrs. Vanna Scolari Ghiringhelli.
Mrs. Ghiringhelli wrote some years ago another fine book: "kris gli invincibili"
The book is just done and the author is now looking for a book publisher

Hi all,

Received info from Mrs. Vanna Scolari about the new book.

Saviolo Publisher is reserving pre-publication orders for The Invincible Krises 2 by author, Vanna Ghiringhelli, which is scheduled for World Premiere in November, 2007 at the Italian Knife Show in Milan.

http://www.saviolopublisher.com/book...-2/prod_8.html

Following the great success of the author's first volume of, "The Invincible Krises", this completely new and unique book focuses on the famous Indo-Malay Keris dagger. The individual keris pieces illustrated in the book, each selected from the prestigious Ghiringhelli collection, are being published here for the first time.

Every dagger in The Invincible Krises 2 is accompanied by detailed technical description as well as a cultural extension, making for pleasant and informative reading for serious students, collectors and casual browsers. The many references included in the text enable readers to quickly increase and deepen their knowledge on the historical significance and cultural impact of Keris daggers. With an appeal to every collector, the final portion of the book is devoted to the often overlooked subject of woman's Kris.

In the Preface and Introductions, author Vanna Ghiringhelli has dedicated The Invincible Krises 2 not only to seasoned collectors, but also to those who are new to the Keris World. The book is illustrated with 110 colour photographs of Kerises and the entire text is written in English. Detailed descriptions of the blade forging are written by Keris expert and collector, Dr. Sandro Forgiarini, whose text is accompanied by dozens of photos showing the smith's work and the forge.

This outstanding collectible book is being produced by Saviolo Publisher in Limited Edition of only 1,000 copies.

Get your copy now... (I had).

[Marcokeris]

Surely i'll be in Milan next november

[vogan]

Thank you very much Alam Shah for the early link to the publisher of The Invincible Krises 2! As soon as I saw it I ran upstairs for my credit card. They have a secure site and postage to the US was just $15.00. It seems only fair that collectors get a chance at reserving a copy before the scalpers jack up the price on what's left. I thought the first volume a lovely little book, small format (just 5.5 by 6.5 inches for those who don't have a copy), but with excellent photos (- no, I have not yet acquired KERIS JAWA: Antara Mistik dan Nalar, as I am still clinging to the hope an English version is in the works).

[Rick]

It seems we can place an order in country .
http://www.saviolopublisher.com/

[Alam Shah]

Originally Posted by Rick

It seems we can place an order in country .
http://www.saviolopublisher.com

Gee, it's the same site that I've provided.

Vogan, the English version of the said book will be out, sooner or later.

[Rick]

OOPS!

[David]

Originally Posted by Alam Shah

Vogan, the English version of the said book will be out, sooner or later.

I just asked the same question about this book on the magazine thread (since Alan mentions it there). Do you speak with any authority on this or are you just assuming? If it will be "later" that's fine, but if it never happens and then the original Indo book goes out of print i will be screwed paying higher prices for a hard to find book. Oh well...

[David]

And does anyone know what the dimensions of the new Invincible will be. I am seriously hoping for a much larger book than the last. Great photos, but so damn small.

[A. G. Maisey]

Shahrial, I've had the opportunity to read the MT Arifin book now.

My mother always told me never to say anything if I could not say something nice.

I would prefer to reserve comment on KERIS JAWA, by M T Arifin.

I'd say that Invincible Keris#2 is a "must have". I will be very interested in the level of accuracy shown in this second edition.

[pakana]

Is this "Invincible keris 2" book referring most to Indonesian keris or Malay?From the picture outside you can tell that Malay keris are also inside,but what about Indonesian?Thanx

[Marcokeris]

These two pages from Arifin book could be some interest (wood prizes in Solo market)

[A. G. Maisey]

Actually, I thought that this was one of the least interesting or valuable parts of this book.

These prices are only relevant to the person they were given to, on the day they were given.

[Marcokeris]

Alan, it is the only thing i have understood in the book.
About photos an indonesian friend when gave me the book said that the three keris on the cover are all new... but i don't know how and why he said that

[BluErf]

Originally Posted by pakana

Is this "Invincible keris 2" book referring most to Indonesian keris or Malay?From the picture outside you can tell that Malay keris are also inside,but what about Indonesian?Thanx

But, that is an Indonesian (Minang) keris on the cover. Sumatra is as much a part of Indonesia as Java, Bali and Sulawesi.

[David]

Originally Posted by BluErf

But, that is an Indonesian (Minang) keris on the cover. Sumatra is as much a part of Indonesia as Java, Bali and Sulawesi.

My thoughts exactly!

[A. G. Maisey]

Marco, I do not have the book in front of me,but my memory of it is that yes, they are recent keris.

Don't worry too much about not understanding anything that is in that book.

[Alam Shah]

Originally Posted by Marcokeris

... About photos an indonesian friend when gave me the book said that the three keris on the cover are all new... but i don't know how and why he said that

Yes, I agree... all 3 blades are new. 2 Naga Sasra and 1 Naga Siluman. (You could see it from the pics I posted).

Marco, you have Haryono's Keris Jawa: Antara Mistik dan Nalar and coupled with Bambang's Ensiklopedi Keris, that should give you loads of Javanese keris info. Imo, regarding the pricing info, it fluctuates and differs in different markets, so it's not really useful.

[cahaya]

hai...,i'm absolutely agree that is new kris, with Kanjeng Kyai bla bla bla.... good for intermezo

[devriesantiek]

Hello everybody,

I'm a new member. My name is Patrick de Vries from Holland. I have an antique shop specialised in antiques from Indonesia.

{ commercial links edited by Rick}

My quesion is about books: I have many books about keris and other Indonesian weapons, but most are written in bhs Indonesia. I know a bit bhs, but it is very hard to read and understand it.
I know there is a translation of the Budaya Nasional. Does anybode know where I can get it (or borrow a copy?).
Any other good suggestions for book?

Best regards and thanks,

Patrick

[Rick]

Hi Patrick, welcome to the Warung .
I edited out your links because they seem to be of a commercial nature.
We all would love to see your private collection; any pieces offered for sale must be posted in the Swap forum.

If you have any questions feel free to ask.
Again,
Welcome.

Rick

[A. G. Maisey]

G'day Patrick,

There was a translation done of "Budaya Nasional".

My understanding is that it was commissioned by Hardiono of Surabaya. Pak Hardiono was an important dealer of some years ago, and he has now passed away.

Back in the 1990's I noted a small number of these translations available through a dealer in Solo.

I have not seen a translation for sale for many years.

In any case, it was a very, very bad translation, and in my opinion it was so difficult to understand that it could in itself cause misunderstandings.

I do have a copy of it somewhere. If you care to email me privately we may be able to work something out.

[Marcokeris]

A new indonesian book on Yogya sarong

[Alam Shah]

Originally Posted by Marcokeris

A new indonesian book on Yogya sarong

Interesting,

What are its contents? Where can I get a copy?

[Marcokeris]

Originally Posted by Alam Shah

Interesting,

What are its contents? Where can I get a copy?

I received an email from the author and together the photo of the book. I dont know if the book is ready or not, but next week I'ld know some more about the book.