Pictures Only

[Marcokeris]

onix yogya hilt

[Flavio]

Hi all, I was later here and maybe not invited (i'm joking )!!! Of course all the pictures are wonderful, but Aji, you post some pictures that drive me crazy!!!! Congratulations guys

[Sajen]

Yesterday I found this old thread. It woud be dumpish when it will be dead. So here it goes: only pictures, no comment!

[Marcokeris]

Kemuning gayaman, bone deder, blarang ngirit pamor

[semar]

No words Only Picture

[Sajen]

Great! One more.

[BluErf]

Oddball addition

[BluErf]

2

[BluErf]

3

[BluErf]

Oddball no. 2

[BluErf]

2

[Rick]

Paint .

[Alam Shah]

The thread is turning into an oddball.. ahem! unique pieces..
BluErf, the one with the gap under the hilt is a one off,.. wow! a full face under there..

Ok, here's mine.. an albino horn hilt with a black horn cup (pendokok).

[Battara]

Albino horn! For a minute there I thought it was some kind of mother-of-pearl.....

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by Alam Shah

The thread is turning into an oddball.. ahem! unique pieces..
BluErf, the one with the gap under the hilt is a one off, a full face under there..

Ok, here's mine.. an albino horn hilt with a black horn cup (pendokok).

WoW!

[BluErf]

Originally Posted by Alam Shah

The thread is turning into an oddball.. ahem! unique pieces..
BluErf, the one with the gap under the hilt is a one off,.. wow! a full face under there..

Ok, here's mine.. an albino horn hilt with a black horn cup (pendokok).

I covert thy black horn pendoko!!!

[ganjawulung]

Keris with wooden-pendhok and "the strad"...

GANJAWULUNG

[ganjawulung]

And imageS of the wooden pendhok, philisium wood, made by Mas Min from Solo

GANJAWULUNG

[A. G. Maisey]

John Denver had a fine appreciation of beautiful wood too.

[ganjawulung]

Not sure, if this image picturing a Puthut and Kupu Tarung pamor...

GANJAWULUNG

[Moshah]

for thee who could not afford silverware...

[Sajen]

Rare Solo hilt from kayu cendana.

[A. G. Maisey]

Solo?

As in "Surakarta" ?

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Solo?

As in "Surakarta" ?

Taken without proof from "Regam Hulu Keris" from Suhartono Rahardjo, pic. 19.

[Alam Shah]

Originally Posted by Sajen

Rare Solo hilt from kayu cendana.

Hi Sajen,

First look, I thought it was an off Surakarta hilt form, looking at the base carvings. Normally what I see is the naga near the top, while most part, still retaining the tunggak semi form. pictures of smilies:
wink:
big grin:
hmmm:

[A. G. Maisey]

Thanks Sajen, I see what you mean. However, although there is some similarity between your hilt and the ones shown in Ragam Hulu, there are, to my eye, significant differences.

#19 in Ragam Hulu is stylistically Central Jawa, and I'd be happy to accept Surakarta pending evidence, #20 in Ragam Hulu I do not see as stylistically Central Jawa, to my eye, more North Coast/Madura, and I would want some evidence before I'd accept it as Surakarta.

Your hilt is in my opinion, not stylistically Central Jawa, and does bear a number of characteristics that we are accustomed to seeing in Madura/ North Coast hilts. I tend towards a Madura origin for this hilt.

I must admit, I sometimes wonder at the attributions in Ragam Hulu. A lot of them I can agree with beyond question, but others I feel that the author has given the place of acquisition, rather the the place of origin.

For example, hilts # 17, 18, 19 20 are all naga motifs.

#17 I am able to accept as Surakarta beyond question --- I've seen old examples, I've seen drawings in Surakarta pattern books, several tukang jejeran I know recognise this as a Surakarta form.

However, with #18 and #19 the only similar examples I've seen have been very recent Madura. With #20, I have never seen an example, either old or recent.

#18 and #19 I would accept as Surakarta on face value, and then look for evidence, because of the cecekan and the planar form, but #20 has no cecekan, no planar form, and stylistically just cannot be aligned to a Central Javanese form or motif.

What we need to remember is this:- a jejeran does not usually stand alone, it is a part of an ensemble; to mate these jejeran with wrongkos, we need to ask who, when, where, why and what sort of wrongko.

I said "usually".

PBX caused a number of very oddball hilts to be produced as stand-alone works of art. We need to accept these as Surakarta, simply because they were produced to the order of the ruler, but my belief is that only the ruler, whether actual or symbolic, has the prerogative to designate a form as belonging to his kingdom. Freddie Suwanka cannot just produce some unusual hilts in Solo and then call them Surakarta jejeran.

Nope.

Only the boss can do that.

So, if we come across unusual hilts with a designation of Surakarta, I would want to see the original in a royal collection before I'd accept it as Surakarta.

These are my standards, and others may have different standards, to which, they are of course, entitled.

[Sajen]

Hello Alam and Alan,

have to agree that my hilt is different since it have no patra in down but a tumpal motif. I incline like Alan that the motifs shows more north coast or Madura origin. My view inside the book have been to cursory.
And guwaya note in an other thread already that you can't take this book as a reference book.

[David]

I would just like to remind everyone that the title of this particular thread is "Pictures ONLY".

[semar]

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[A. G. Maisey]

Point taken David, and I agree that I, for one, have moved outside the parameters.

May I suggest that from this point this thread becomes strictly pictures only?

With no text, there can be no comment on existing text that accompanies the pictures.