17th September 2009, 09:24 AM | #31 |
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Alam Shah, Greybeard and David, thank you for the comments
David, I have really no experience with this. I thought, it would be a peninsular keris. |
17th September 2009, 03:47 PM | #32 |
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Hi Gustav, it is indeed a very nice keris naga bugis, you got there. It has all the features of naga that is almost similiar to mine with the distinctive 3 "clove of leaves" on top the naga head. Congrats
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17th September 2009, 04:02 PM | #33 |
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Are the blades tempered (sepuhan)? for such Bugis type blades with no pamor, the temper mark shd be fairly obvious.
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17th September 2009, 04:03 PM | #34 |
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Hello Jentayu, thank you, also for posting your very nice and interesting keris for comparison. May I ask what is the estimation of age for your keris?
About "leaves" on the head of Naga - if there are no meanings - they could be also feathers. |
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Btw, from the dress and hilt, these do not look like peninsula kerises.
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17th September 2009, 04:14 PM | #36 |
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Likely to be Sulawesi, judging from the bulge in Gustav's keris sheath, and hilt.
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As i know many of us are already aware, dress does not necessarily reveal the origin of the blade itself. |
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17th September 2009, 04:21 PM | #38 |
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Hello Blu Erf,
could such greneng be expected from Sulawesi? |
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I am always to late with my posts ... I need so much time to write on english
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But the question I'm interested in is whether the blades are tempered.
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17th September 2009, 04:33 PM | #43 |
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I based my observation on a Sumatra blade that i have that has very similar greneng both in form and size. I have rarely seen greneng on Sulawesi keris at all.
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Blu Erf,
there is no temper mark on my blade. |
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17th September 2009, 05:15 PM | #47 |
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Blu Erf,
the keris from Tengkurizan collection is descripted as Riau Bugis, but you are wright, such greneng recalls a "Sumbawa feeling". Is the hilt probably Banjarmasin? |
17th September 2009, 05:22 PM | #48 |
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In any case, the greneng on my keris seems to be smaller then every bugis I have seen...
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17th September 2009, 05:26 PM | #49 |
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Ah yes, I didn't notice the description But I've not really seen such kerises from the Riau region.
I do not know where the hilt comes from. |
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Now I can post some pictures of my Naga (Seluman?) keris -- old or recently
Maduran made? Heinz |
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Usually we count the luks, because the common Naga Siluman comes with 7 luks. But some Naga Siluman has possibility to have 9 and 11 luks too. Even yours is 13 luks. As does "carita" dhapur which usually 11 luks but some caritas also possible to have 15 luks (carita buntala) and 17 luks (carita kalenthang). In daily chat among collectors in Jawa, this type of naga ornaments we call it as "naga primitif" (primitive naga), simple naga ornament. And the disappearing of the naga body -- we call it "naga siluman", invisible naga... Could be old, could be recently made, it depends on the real keris in hand. I have the similar primitive naga, but not in keris size. Only palm-sized keris, or small patrem (pictures below), an amulet type of keris with rough naga carving... GANJAWULUNG |
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Hello Ganjawulung
Naga Siluman or Naga Seluman -- I'm aware of both terms, but I never knew which is the correct one. Thank you for clarification. Then I have a keris Naga Siluman with "too many luk" ... My 5-luk "Jimat" keris (length of the blade without pesi: 11 cm) shows the same style of "Naga primitive". Interestingly, when looking at this relief upside-down there seems to be a human face in profile ... Regards, Heinz |
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