Relic of a Javanese kriss whith original warangka - Page 2

Paul B. · 2nd November 2018, 01:51 PM

True but if you happen to deal with a gandariras sheath but in case the gandar is an individual element then the risk of breaking at the weak point ( the glued neck part) is realistic. Then you're stuck with the a pendok completely hidden inside the pendok and if you are lucky the tongues haven't broken. If so there is little grip to reglue afterwards....
Worse, some gandar break of at the very end and stay in the bottom end of a pendok. Then you do have a real problem so consider doing so.
In the past I bought a few nice pendok meant to replace other less valuable ones and I found out there was a gandar remnent, nasty experience!

A. G. Maisey · 2nd November 2018, 10:01 PM

None of the things you mention --- plus a whole swathe of things you do not mention --- are even the smallest problem Paul.

You use a segrek to remove a gandar that comes off the gambar, if you do not have a segrek, a Swiss Army Knife saw or a keyhole saw works reasonably well.

Broken tongues are easily replaced and the replacement will be better and stronger than the original. Bambu is the best material, 5 minute araldite is the best adhesive.

I have never had any part of a gandar break deep inside a pendok that could not be removed. Usually a segrek will remove small stuck pieces, but once or twice I have needed to use a long chisel to cut out small broken pieces.

There is absolutely nothing with a keris that cannot be fixed, and the removal of a glued pendok is about as simple as any job gets.

drdavid · 2nd November 2018, 10:30 PM

Hi Alan, is there any chance you have a picture of a segrek you could show us
cheers
DrD

A. G. Maisey · 2nd November 2018, 11:16 PM

I did post pics of a segrek, and I think maybe some other tools, some time ago. I just tried a search but could not find the pics.

I'm not at home at the moment, if necessary I'll post pics of one next week. In essence, it is like a saw with reverse teeth that cut on the pull stroke, not the push stroke.

For a tool that is to be used to remove a gandar from a pendok only, it is a very easy to make one from mild steel --- it does not need to cut, only to have the teeth reverse direction so it will grip the inside of a gandar. You can also make a tool that will do the job from an old pruning saw by grinding down the blade with an angle grinder.

Sajen · 3rd November 2018, 12:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

I did post pics of a segrek, and I think maybe some other tools, some time ago.

Look here:http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...06&postcount=6

David · 3rd November 2018, 01:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sajen

Look here:http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...06&postcount=6

Thanks Detlef!

Athanase · 4th November 2018, 01:09 AM

Hello,
Finally I succeed to separate the gandar and pendok. The glue was only on the upper part, at the junction with the wrangka.

drdavid · 4th November 2018, 04:37 AM

Thanks Detlef and well done Athanase
Drd

2nd November 2018, 01:51 PM	#31
Paul B. Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 205	True but if you happen to deal with a gandariras sheath but in case the gandar is an individual element then the risk of breaking at the weak point ( the glued neck part) is realistic. Then you're stuck with the a pendok completely hidden inside the pendok and if you are lucky the tongues haven't broken. If so there is little grip to reglue afterwards.... Worse, some gandar break of at the very end and stay in the bottom end of a pendok. Then you do have a real problem so consider doing so. In the past I bought a few nice pendok meant to replace other less valuable ones and I found out there was a gandar remnent, nasty experience!

2nd November 2018, 10:01 PM	#32
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,893	None of the things you mention --- plus a whole swathe of things you do not mention --- are even the smallest problem Paul. You use a segrek to remove a gandar that comes off the gambar, if you do not have a segrek, a Swiss Army Knife saw or a keyhole saw works reasonably well. Broken tongues are easily replaced and the replacement will be better and stronger than the original. Bambu is the best material, 5 minute araldite is the best adhesive. I have never had any part of a gandar break deep inside a pendok that could not be removed. Usually a segrek will remove small stuck pieces, but once or twice I have needed to use a long chisel to cut out small broken pieces. There is absolutely nothing with a keris that cannot be fixed, and the removal of a glued pendok is about as simple as any job gets.

2nd November 2018, 10:30 PM	#33
drdavid Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 371	Hi Alan, is there any chance you have a picture of a segrek you could show us cheers DrD

2nd November 2018, 11:16 PM	#34
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,893	I did post pics of a segrek, and I think maybe some other tools, some time ago. I just tried a search but could not find the pics. I'm not at home at the moment, if necessary I'll post pics of one next week. In essence, it is like a saw with reverse teeth that cut on the pull stroke, not the push stroke. For a tool that is to be used to remove a gandar from a pendok only, it is a very easy to make one from mild steel --- it does not need to cut, only to have the teeth reverse direction so it will grip the inside of a gandar. You can also make a tool that will do the job from an old pruning saw by grinding down the blade with an angle grinder.

4th November 2018, 01:09 AM	#37
Athanase Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Paris (France) Posts: 408	Hello, Finally I succeed to separate the gandar and pendok. The glue was only on the upper part, at the junction with the wrangka.

4th November 2018, 04:37 AM	#38
drdavid Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 371	Thanks Detlef and well done Athanase Drd