Antique spring assist/gravity wrist daggers

Atlantia · 19th November 2009, 09:22 PM

Of the up the sleeve attached to your arm type....
I've often wondered if there is any historical precedent for these in reality?

4:20 in this clip
Kroenen

25 seconds in on this one
Laurence Olvier in Marathon man

55 seconds
Assasins Creed

fearn · 19th November 2009, 10:13 PM

I think the Marathon Man clip shows what the problem is

Seriously, it looks concealable, but you've got to figure out some sort of trigger that's also inconspicuous, and then keep the whole thing on your arm without accidentally triggering it. It's easier to simply hide a knife in a sheath somewhere.

I've seen pics of guns and dart throwers in that configuration, but offhand I don't know of a real implementation of it anywhere.

Best,

F

Atlantia · 19th November 2009, 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fearn

I think the Marathon Man clip shows what the problem is

Seriously, it looks concealable, but you've got to figure out some sort of trigger that's also inconspicuous, and then keep the whole thing on your arm without accidentally triggering it. It's easier to simply hide a knife in a sheath somewhere.

I've seen pics of guns and dart throwers in that configuration, but offhand I don't know of a real implementation of it anywhere.

Best,

F

Well, I dont think there is any doubt that small guns have had 'up the arm' rigs made for them. I think the 'flick' method employed in Taxi Driver using the carriage from a typewriter is the best! Check youtube for more...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XZWi...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Jamg3FRHfE

personal fav's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNZR9...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8opY0LeMRoI

fearn · 20th November 2009, 07:44 PM

In case I was confusing, I meant an up-the-arm knife, following the question.

Thinking about it, I do know a story of a Chinese martial arts master who could reportedly throw a knife out of a wrist sheath. That definitely qualifies as a neat trick in my book, but it's not quite what you're looking for.

Best,

F

Rick · 20th November 2009, 08:01 PM

Is this what you mean ?
A antique version ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballistic_knife

josh stout · 25th November 2009, 12:37 AM

I once asked Scott Rodell about the brass spring loaded wrist darts from China that one occasionally sees on eBay, and he said that, while he was skeptical about the ones for sale, they were based on a real weapon. Chinese throwing knives, needles etc. are pretty rare, though they are well documented in martial arts styles and period novels. The wrist dart holders look like brass tubes around eight inches long and shoot needles like short fat knitting needles. The dart is spring loaded. There is a groove going around near the tip of the dart and this slots into a small release mechanism that can be depressed with a finger.

I can't think of any similar arrangement where a fixed blade sprang out like that. There were double and single knives or even small maces that were traditionally hidden up a sleeve, but nothing fixed. The Chinese like to be able to spin their knives around.
Josh

Atlantia · 25th November 2009, 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by josh stout

I once asked Scott Rodell about the brass spring loaded wrist darts from China that one occasionally sees on eBay, and he said that, while he was skeptical about the ones for sale, they were based on a real weapon. Chinese throwing knives, needles etc. are pretty rare, though they are well documented in martial arts styles and period novels. The wrist dart holders look like brass tubes around eight inches long and shoot needles like short fat knitting needles. The dart is spring loaded. There is a groove going around near the tip of the dart and this slots into a small release mechanism that can be depressed with a finger.

I can't think of any similar arrangement where a fixed blade sprang out like that. There were double and single knives or even small maces that were traditionally hidden up a sleeve, but nothing fixed. The Chinese like to be able to spin their knives around.
Josh

Ah I like it! Never seen one before, interesting 'dinky toy firing missile' principal of manufacture.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYOlI...eature=related

Might be fun to make one.........

fearn · 26th November 2009, 05:36 AM

And, of course, the Turkana didn't wear sleeves over these.

josh stout · 29th November 2009, 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atlantia

Ah I like it! Never seen one before, interesting 'dinky toy firing missile' principal of manufacture.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYOlI...eature=related

Might be fun to make one.........

Wow, you found one. That looks pretty typical of the ones I have seen pictures of. I wonder how old it is? I see things that make me think it has some age, and things like the slot cut into the side that look recent.

Notice how thick the spring seems. It looks like it had some power.
Josh

Atlantia · 29th November 2009, 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fearn

And, of course, the Turkana didn't wear sleeves over these.

LOL, true enough!

Atlantia · 29th November 2009, 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by josh stout

Wow, you found one. That looks pretty typical of the ones I have seen pictures of. I wonder how old it is? I see things that make me think it has some age, and things like the slot cut into the side that look recent.

Notice how thick the spring seems. It looks like it had some power.
Josh

The spring looks like its out of a cheap chinese air-gun. I think it would be fairly easy to make something along these lines.
Be fun to try!

ariel · 30th November 2009, 08:31 AM

Aren't they against the law?

Rick · 30th November 2009, 11:04 PM

Very .

ericlaude · 31st January 2010, 12:53 AM

Hello, just for show you the chinese sleeve dart.
First, the spring tube mounted as a gun, and the original spring tube with its dart.

Atlantia · 31st January 2010, 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ericlaude

Hello, just for show you the chinese sleeve dart.
First, the spring tube mounted as a gun, and the original spring tube with its dart.

OMG that is beautiful!
Is it yours Ericlaude?
Can you tell me anything more about it?

Wow, I really want one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ericlaude · 31st January 2010, 06:50 PM

Hello Atlantia and thanks,
Yes it's mine, I trade its to a French dealer, I haven't much information on its historia, It's chinese behind 1870 - 1900 .

Atlantia · 31st January 2010, 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ericlaude

Hello Atlantia and thanks,
Yes it's mine, I trade its to a French dealer, I haven't much information on its historia, It's chinese behind 1870 - 1900 .

Lucky you, it looks like a lot of fun!!
How do you load it? What is the purpose of the lower tube/rod? Is it a lever to compress the spring?
How does it fire? Accurate?

ericlaude · 31st January 2010, 07:21 PM

Both lower tubes are tidying up for 4 darts . The spring is constricted when the tube is closed again and it is locked
by a rotation has right. Power is very big.( traduction with computer)

Atlantia · 31st January 2010, 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ericlaude

Both lower tubes are tidying up for 4 darts . The spring is constricted when the tube is closed again and it is locked
by a rotation has right. Power is very big.( traduction with computer)

Could we see some pictures of the loading/ firing process?

Best
Gene

ericlaude · 31st January 2010, 10:39 PM

it are not very good but it's easy for understand the mechanism.

ericlaude · 31st January 2010, 10:40 PM

for the simple tube

Atlantia · 31st January 2010, 11:28 PM

Fantastic, thank you so much for posting them. I will very much enjoy studying them

19th November 2009, 09:22 PM	#1
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Antique spring assist/gravity wrist daggers Of the up the sleeve attached to your arm type.... I've often wondered if there is any historical precedent for these in reality? 4:20 in this clip Kroenen 25 seconds in on this one Laurence Olvier in Marathon man 55 seconds Assasins Creed

20th November 2009, 08:01 PM	#5
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	Ballistic Is this what you mean ? A antique version ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballistic_knife

25th November 2009, 12:37 AM	#6
josh stout Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 407	I once asked Scott Rodell about the brass spring loaded wrist darts from China that one occasionally sees on eBay, and he said that, while he was skeptical about the ones for sale, they were based on a real weapon. Chinese throwing knives, needles etc. are pretty rare, though they are well documented in martial arts styles and period novels. The wrist dart holders look like brass tubes around eight inches long and shoot needles like short fat knitting needles. The dart is spring loaded. There is a groove going around near the tip of the dart and this slots into a small release mechanism that can be depressed with a finger. I can't think of any similar arrangement where a fixed blade sprang out like that. There were double and single knives or even small maces that were traditionally hidden up a sleeve, but nothing fixed. The Chinese like to be able to spin their knives around. Josh Last edited by josh stout; 25th November 2009 at 12:48 AM.

31st January 2010, 12:53 AM	#14
ericlaude Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 187	sleeve dart Hello, just for show you the chinese sleeve dart. First, the spring tube mounted as a gun, and the original spring tube with its dart. Attached Images Last edited by ericlaude; 31st January 2010 at 03:02 PM.

31st January 2010, 06:50 PM	#16
ericlaude Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 187	dart gun Hello Atlantia and thanks, Yes it's mine, I trade its to a French dealer, I haven't much information on its historia, It's chinese behind 1870 - 1900 .

19th November 2009, 10:13 PM	#2
fearn Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,247	I think the Marathon Man clip shows what the problem is Seriously, it looks concealable, but you've got to figure out some sort of trigger that's also inconspicuous, and then keep the whole thing on your arm without accidentally triggering it. It's easier to simply hide a knife in a sheath somewhere. I've seen pics of guns and dart throwers in that configuration, but offhand I don't know of a real implementation of it anywhere. Best, F

20th November 2009, 07:44 PM	#4
fearn Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,247	In case I was confusing, I meant an up-the-arm knife, following the question. Thinking about it, I do know a story of a Chinese martial arts master who could reportedly throw a knife out of a wrist sheath. That definitely qualifies as a neat trick in my book, but it's not quite what you're looking for. Best, F

26th November 2009, 05:36 AM	#8
fearn Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,247	And, of course, the Turkana didn't wear sleeves over these.

30th November 2009, 08:31 AM	#12
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Aren't they against the law?

30th November 2009, 11:04 PM	#13
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	Very .

31st January 2010, 07:21 PM	#18
ericlaude Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 187	dartgun Both lower tubes are tidying up for 4 darts . The spring is constricted when the tube is closed again and it is locked by a rotation has right. Power is very big.( traduction with computer) Last edited by ericlaude; 31st January 2010 at 07:57 PM.

31st January 2010, 10:39 PM	#20
ericlaude Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 187	others pictures it are not very good but it's easy for understand the mechanism. Attached Images

31st January 2010, 10:40 PM	#21
ericlaude Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 187	2 others for the simple tube Attached Images

31st January 2010, 11:28 PM	#22
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Fantastic, thank you so much for posting them. I will very much enjoy studying them