hilt material ?

[Rick]

Danny, I think it looks like Marine Ivory .
Note the interesting 'swirls' near the base in your first and second pictures



I would not stake my life on it though !!

[Marcokeris]

Also i think it's marine ivory

[kulbuntet]

Hi Danny,

Sure its marine ivory, most of madura ukiran are and it shows clouds so its marine. This one is from before 1825. Got it from Peter?

Regards Michel, amsterdam

[David]

Originally Posted by kulbuntet

Sure its marine ivory, most of madura ukiran are and it shows clouds so its marine. This one is from before 1825.

Hi Michel. It would probably be helpful if you could explain exactly what characteristic of this hilt date it as being pre-1825?

[vampire]

hallo
danny
nice hilt ,but no ivory
what is nice to i have allmost the same hilt on a keris
given to me in indonesia in 1970
simlar but not the same ,mine one is bone
greet jan

[David]

Originally Posted by vampire

hallo
danny
nice hilt ,but no ivory
what is nice to i have allmost the same hilt on a keris
given to me in indonesia in 1970
simlar but not the same ,mine one is bone
greet jan

Jan, i am certainly no expert on ivory, but there are some really obvious differences between bone and ivory that even i can see in close-up photographs like these. The "growth ring" type structure that is evident in these photos most definitely identifies this hilt as ivory. Perhaps yours is indeed bone, or maybe it is ivory and you are just unaware. Post some close-ups and perhaps we will be able to help you identify it.
The question that is more difficult, at least for me, is what type of ivory is it. I also lean toward marine ivory.

[danny1976]

Hi Michel,

Yes it,s from peter.

But pleas explain why you think its from before 1825 ?

And has some one a hilt with the same figure ? I do only know the ones
with the horse , crown , epaulets etc...

Danny

[asomotif]

The structure and color makes me think of a hilt I have.
See this old thread :
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ght=raja+abala

Sure its marine ivory

Ok, but which animal / define marine ivory ?
There are quite a lot of sea mamals that can provide teeth that are workable :
Sperm whale ? orca/killerwhale ? seacow/dujong ? Walrus ? Narwal ?

[David]

Originally Posted by asomotif

Ok, but which animal / define marine ivory ?
There are quite a lot of sea mamals that can provise teeth that are workable :
Sperm whale ? orca/killerwhale ? seacow/dujong ? Walrus ? Narwal ?

Well Willem, you are certainly getting beyond my ability to differentiate.

[kulbuntet]

Originally Posted by David

Hi Michel. It would probably be helpful if you could explain exactly what characteristic of this hilt date it as being pre-1825?

Hi David,

At first Happy new year to all, hope it wilo be a good and healty yeah for all and their family and loved ones.

My opinion of this hilt being older than 1825 is because of that there are no indicators of the dutch. No epaulets, dutch knight ord or flying horse. 1825 is the year of start of Jawa war. Lot of soldiers that fought in this war on jawa were Dutch, but since the dutch needed more lot of Madura soldiers helped the dutch in this war. afther this date, madura hilt got dutch indicators.

Regards Michel