Meteoric Balinese Blog....

lemmythesmith · 4th March 2009, 10:39 PM

Rick

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Lemmy, it would be interesting if you started a thread on this project and kept us updated.

David

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Yes, please!

Willem

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Yes, please!

Well gents, here's a sneak preview

19 inch blade of the usual construction-iron from all over, meteorites, horseshoes, stuff I've found lying around waiting for the enterprising smith to pick up.............I have it all written down with weights etc, more of that later.
I don't have much of this blade's early days but there is a picture of one of the meteorites (Campo Del Cielo 195g) and one of "block 3" before welding, 9 layers of iron and pure meteorite, there were four of these so 36 layers a side. There's some photos of the pamor drawn out ready to bend and insert steel, the blank ready to weld, the blade partially forged and fully forged. The selut progress is documented too (got a new camera!) Togog development to follow.....

lemmythesmith · 4th March 2009, 10:45 PM

The full view and closeup of pamor....

David · 4th March 2009, 10:49 PM

Oh Goodie!!!

Rick · 4th March 2009, 11:36 PM

Cowabunga Lemmy !!
David, don't you have an example of that dapur ?

asomotif · 5th March 2009, 12:00 AM

Amazing to see this in progress.

The settings for the stones/glass on the selut, are they prefabricated ?

Nice dapur, I like it "simple" with no luks.

David · 5th March 2009, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Rick

David, don't you have an example of that dapur ?

Something similar perhaps...why, are you missing it?

ganjawulung · 5th March 2009, 01:57 AM

Bravo, Lemmy....

Magnifique garap. The dhapur, probably similar to these Javanese "PASUPATI". The one with pamor, was made by a Solonese keris maker Ki Sukamdi, but the kodokan is Maduran made...

GANJAWULUNG

Raden Usman Djogja · 5th March 2009, 01:41 PM

bravo....Lemmy!!!!

BluErf · 5th March 2009, 02:41 PM

Woohoo!!!

Great job!

I salute you, Lemmy!

Rick · 5th March 2009, 03:31 PM

Looking forward to the next episode, Lemmy .

lemmythesmith · 5th March 2009, 10:45 PM

Hi all, many thanks and glad you like it so far...

Willem, the settings are made from bearer so they are cut from strip, bent and soldered so you have a built in "ledge" for the stone to sit in. The stones are laboratory grown star rubies.

Ganjawulung, dapur is pasopati-in fact I studied both of your keris whilst making this one. The ganja is "wulung" too!

More to follow, hopefully this weekend (lots of togog pics to resize)

asomotif · 6th March 2009, 01:06 AM

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the settings are made from bearer so they are cut from strip, bent and soldered so you have a built in "ledge" for the stone to sit in

Thanks Lemmy !

Nothing the easy way.
Really looking forward to more pictures in due time.

kino · 6th March 2009, 04:40 AM

Nice...very nice!

Is there a Moro Kris in the future.

Newsteel · 6th March 2009, 06:26 AM

Not bad at all....

lemmythesmith · 6th March 2009, 11:46 PM

Hi Kino, a meteoric Moro kris-the thought had crossed my mind (together with a kampilan, barong, gunong etc

)

karset · 9th March 2009, 09:21 AM

wow,,,nice lemmy

lemmythesmith · 12th March 2009, 12:06 AM

Hi all, here's some pictures of the togog in various stages (well the front views anyway) his left foot is a little more developed since I took these snapshots.......

lemmythesmith · 14th April 2009, 10:24 PM

Now with added face....

drdavid · 14th April 2009, 11:39 PM

Wonderful work lemmy, great carving. What type of bone, and are you using only hand tools for this?
drd

asomotif · 15th April 2009, 12:43 AM

Wonderfull hilt !!!

How is the selut progressing ?

David · 15th April 2009, 04:10 AM

Lemmy, you are one very talented fellow!

Marcokeris · 15th April 2009, 06:54 AM

wonderfull work

lemmythesmith · 15th April 2009, 01:44 PM

Thanks all!! Thought you might like him! He's carved from a portion of a elephant tusk I bought many years ago, but it's only now I feel confidant enough to tackle such an ambitious project. I tend to "rough out" a carving with a dremel using burrs/small milling cutters, fine detail is added with various knives and scrapers, my favorite carving tool is a sghian dubh I made with a damascus blade which takes a wicked edge! I haven't done any more on the selut as yet, but I can feel an urge to do some silversmithing coming on....

(once the urge to make a tanto copying the work of Etchu Norishige goes away, but enough of my problems.....

)

ferrylaki · 23rd April 2009, 05:08 AM

bravo...very nice work

lemmythesmith · 19th August 2009, 11:20 PM

Hi all, I've made a start on cutting the greneng

I'm going to leave "as is" for a day or two then go back to it, needs a few more coats of looking at!!

Michel · 21st August 2009, 09:52 PM

Lemmy,
You are really doing a great job. Not only smithing but carving. I am very,very impressed. One question: in your last photos you show us the ganja, neatly adjusted to the blade but on the first and the last shots, you show the peksi (the flame) of the kris blade with an enlargement right after the ganja. I can understand why you did that (to block the ganja in its place), but I cannot see how you realized it.
Can you explain ?

Thanks and really "bravo" it is a superb work.
Michel

I think I found the way: your peksi is not part of the blade but is screwed in the thickness of the blade ! Right or wrong ?

A. G. Maisey · 22nd August 2009, 01:08 AM

In Javanese the word for a keris tang is "pesi".

The word "peksi" means "bird". It has the same meaning in krama as does "manuk" in ngoko.

The word "pesi" has the alternate meaning of "bird", but the word "peksi" has only one meaning, and that is "bird".

Rick · 22nd August 2009, 01:52 AM

Should I be looking for a ron dha in a Bali piece ??
Or no ?

A. G. Maisey · 22nd August 2009, 03:32 AM

Yes Rick.

If a Balinese blade has a greneng, that greneng should show ron dha of a specific form.

I suspect that Lemmy has moved in this direction and perhaps when he completes the greneng he will have produced an acceptable ron dha.

There are other minor points where this blade does not conform to a Balinese standard, but I must emphasise that these are minor points, and I for one am not prepared to level criticism at Lemmy's effort.All the rough outlines are there, they just need to be refined and finished.

Rick · 22nd August 2009, 03:59 AM

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Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Yes Rick.

If a Balinese blade has a greneng, that greneng should show ron dha of a specific form.

I suspect that Lemmy has moved in this direction and perhaps when he completes the greneng he will have produced an acceptable ron dha.

There are other minor points where this blade does not conform to a Balinese standard, but I must emphasise that these are minor points, and I for one am not prepared to level criticism at Lemmy's effort.All the rough outlines are there, they just need to be refined and finished.

Nor was I Alan; just satisfying my curiousity on that point .

Lemmy, you are indeed a prodigy .

Magnifique !!

4th March 2009, 10:45 PM	#2
lemmythesmith Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 93	The full view and closeup of pamor.... Attached Images

5th March 2009, 01:57 AM	#7
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	Bravo, Lemmy.... Magnifique garap. The dhapur, probably similar to these Javanese "PASUPATI". The one with pamor, was made by a Solonese keris maker Ki Sukamdi, but the kodokan is Maduran made... GANJAWULUNG Attached Images

12th March 2009, 12:06 AM	#17
lemmythesmith Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 93	Hi all, here's some pictures of the togog in various stages (well the front views anyway) his left foot is a little more developed since I took these snapshots....... Attached Images

14th April 2009, 10:24 PM	#18
lemmythesmith Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 93	Now with added face.... Attached Images

15th April 2009, 01:44 PM	#23
lemmythesmith Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 93	Thanks all!! Thought you might like him! He's carved from a portion of a elephant tusk I bought many years ago, but it's only now I feel confidant enough to tackle such an ambitious project. I tend to "rough out" a carving with a dremel using burrs/small milling cutters, fine detail is added with various knives and scrapers, my favorite carving tool is a sghian dubh I made with a damascus blade which takes a wicked edge! I haven't done any more on the selut as yet, but I can feel an urge to do some silversmithing coming on.... (once the urge to make a tanto copying the work of Etchu Norishige goes away, but enough of my problems..... ) Last edited by lemmythesmith; 15th April 2009 at 02:33 PM.

4th March 2009, 10:49 PM	#3
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,126	Oh Goodie!!!

4th March 2009, 11:36 PM	#4
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	Cowabunga Lemmy !! David, don't you have an example of that dapur ?

5th March 2009, 12:00 AM	#5
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,225	Amazing to see this in progress. The settings for the stones/glass on the selut, are they prefabricated ? Nice dapur, I like it "simple" with no luks.

5th March 2009, 01:41 PM	#8
Raden Usman Djogja Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 199	bravo....Lemmy!!!!

5th March 2009, 02:41 PM	#9
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	Woohoo!!! Great job! I salute you, Lemmy!

5th March 2009, 03:31 PM	#10
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	Looking forward to the next episode, Lemmy .

5th March 2009, 10:45 PM	#11
lemmythesmith Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 93	Hi all, many thanks and glad you like it so far... Willem, the settings are made from bearer so they are cut from strip, bent and soldered so you have a built in "ledge" for the stone to sit in. The stones are laboratory grown star rubies. Ganjawulung, dapur is pasopati-in fact I studied both of your keris whilst making this one. The ganja is "wulung" too! More to follow, hopefully this weekend (lots of togog pics to resize)

6th March 2009, 04:40 AM	#13
kino Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,003	Nice...very nice! Is there a Moro Kris in the future.

6th March 2009, 06:26 AM	#14
Newsteel Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 132	Not bad at all....

6th March 2009, 11:46 PM	#15
lemmythesmith Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 93	Hi Kino, a meteoric Moro kris-the thought had crossed my mind (together with a kampilan, barong, gunong etc )

9th March 2009, 09:21 AM	#16
karset Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 48	wow,,,nice lemmy

14th April 2009, 11:39 PM	#19
drdavid Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 371	Wonderful work lemmy, great carving. What type of bone, and are you using only hand tools for this? drd

15th April 2009, 12:43 AM	#20
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,225	Wonderfull hilt !!! How is the selut progressing ?

15th April 2009, 04:10 AM	#21
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,126	Lemmy, you are one very talented fellow!

15th April 2009, 06:54 AM	#22
Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	wonderfull work

23rd April 2009, 05:08 AM	#24
ferrylaki Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 285	bravo...very nice work

19th August 2009, 11:20 PM	#25
lemmythesmith Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 93	Hi all, I've made a start on cutting the greneng I'm going to leave "as is" for a day or two then go back to it, needs a few more coats of looking at!! Attached Images

21st August 2009, 09:52 PM	#26
Michel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Switzerland Posts: 139	A great job Lemmy, You are really doing a great job. Not only smithing but carving. I am very,very impressed. One question: in your last photos you show us the ganja, neatly adjusted to the blade but on the first and the last shots, you show the peksi (the flame) of the kris blade with an enlargement right after the ganja. I can understand why you did that (to block the ganja in its place), but I cannot see how you realized it. Can you explain ? Thanks and really "bravo" it is a superb work. Michel I think I found the way: your peksi is not part of the blade but is screwed in the thickness of the blade ! Right or wrong ?

22nd August 2009, 01:08 AM	#27
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,896	In Javanese the word for a keris tang is "pesi". The word "peksi" means "bird". It has the same meaning in krama as does "manuk" in ngoko. The word "pesi" has the alternate meaning of "bird", but the word "peksi" has only one meaning, and that is "bird".

22nd August 2009, 01:52 AM	#28
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	Should I be looking for a ron dha in a Bali piece ?? Or no ?

22nd August 2009, 03:32 AM	#29
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,896	Yes Rick. If a Balinese blade has a greneng, that greneng should show ron dha of a specific form. I suspect that Lemmy has moved in this direction and perhaps when he completes the greneng he will have produced an acceptable ron dha. There are other minor points where this blade does not conform to a Balinese standard, but I must emphasise that these are minor points, and I for one am not prepared to level criticism at Lemmy's effort.All the rough outlines are there, they just need to be refined and finished.