KERIS FOR COMMENT AND IDENTIFICATION

Royston · 28th February 2009, 01:55 PM

I welcome your opinions of this one.

The hilt appears to be marine ivory in the Madura style

The blade does not look Balinese, but why the Buddha ?

Do you think the Buddha was added much later. I have always thought it looked crudely carved although the gold leaf appears well done.

Is it just an " Upmarket " Tourist piece?

I bought it in 1985 from a dealer in the UK. He had no history with it.

Thanks in advance

Royston

David · 28th February 2009, 03:02 PM

Yes, i would say that there are very clear tool marks that would lead me to believe that the "buddha" was added later, possiblly even just before it's sale to you. As to the figure itself, i don't think Madura has been as strictly Islamic as some other island. Certainly a lot of figurative carving comes out of that area.
I'd say the hilt is ivory, but i'm not so sure it is marine ivory. Why do you think so?

Sajen · 28th February 2009, 03:55 PM

Hello Royston,
I would guess that David is right, the figure is added later to upgrade the blade. But maybe the complete blade is a recent work.
The hilt is a very nice one and I hope that the price for the keris have been like this to compensate the worth of the hilt. And you are right, it is marine ivory from walrus to see by the crystalline structure at some places. Very nice hilt!
Regards,
sajen

Royston · 28th February 2009, 05:34 PM

Thank you gentlemen.

Not what I wanted to hear, but it is what I expected to hear.

David
The reason I think it is marine ivory is exactly as Sajen has said about the crystalline structure.

regards
Royston

Sajen · 28th February 2009, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Royston

Thank you gentlemen.

Not what I wanted to hear, but it is what I expected to hear.

David
The reason I think it is marine ivory is exactly as Sajen has said about the crystalline structure.

regards
Royston

Hello Royston,
don't worry, the hilt is superb and I am sure that you will find a good blade for it!
regards,
sajen

kulbuntet · 5th March 2009, 12:09 AM

Hilt is marine ivory, it also have "clowds". Rino dont have it, only diamonds strucure. But never the les, i personaly think its looks well carfed.. and im not cursed iff i would have one or some of them.

And the wilah, posibly madura fabricly made....i think same as above.. you wil find a beter one in time.

regards Michel

28th February 2009, 01:55 PM	#1
Royston Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Poole England Posts: 443	KERIS FOR COMMENT AND IDENTIFICATION I welcome your opinions of this one. The hilt appears to be marine ivory in the Madura style The blade does not look Balinese, but why the Buddha ? Do you think the Buddha was added much later. I have always thought it looked crudely carved although the gold leaf appears well done. Is it just an " Upmarket " Tourist piece? I bought it in 1985 from a dealer in the UK. He had no history with it. Thanks in advance Royston Attached Images

28th February 2009, 03:02 PM	#2
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,123	Yes, i would say that there are very clear tool marks that would lead me to believe that the "buddha" was added later, possiblly even just before it's sale to you. As to the figure itself, i don't think Madura has been as strictly Islamic as some other island. Certainly a lot of figurative carving comes out of that area. I'd say the hilt is ivory, but i'm not so sure it is marine ivory. Why do you think so?

28th February 2009, 03:55 PM	#3
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,779	Hello Royston, I would guess that David is right, the figure is added later to upgrade the blade. But maybe the complete blade is a recent work. The hilt is a very nice one and I hope that the price for the keris have been like this to compensate the worth of the hilt. And you are right, it is marine ivory from walrus to see by the crystalline structure at some places. Very nice hilt! Regards, sajen

28th February 2009, 05:34 PM	#4
Royston Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Poole England Posts: 443	Thank you gentlemen. Not what I wanted to hear, but it is what I expected to hear. David The reason I think it is marine ivory is exactly as Sajen has said about the crystalline structure. regards Royston

5th March 2009, 12:09 AM	#6
kulbuntet Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Amsterdam, Netherlands Posts: 159	Hilt is marine ivory, it also have "clowds". Rino dont have it, only diamonds strucure. But never the les, i personaly think its looks well carfed.. and im not cursed iff i would have one or some of them. And the wilah, posibly madura fabricly made....i think same as above.. you wil find a beter one in time. regards Michel