indonesian knife?

Ascalon · 19th February 2009, 07:36 PM

Hello
I'm new on this forum, i'm french so my english is bad.
I collect edge blade from several years.
I need some help for ID some weapon of my collection.

This one, 42 cm

and this knife i bought yesterday

Sorry for my poor english!

LPCA · 26th February 2009, 07:36 AM

Hi, Ascalon. Indonesian stronghly possible. A lot of people there can go further on ID.... as my friend Henk or other sharped knowledges guys...
You can also visit my website Blade (in french) http://blade.japet.com/ to help your research.
Louis-Pierre

Sajen · 26th February 2009, 10:25 AM

Hello Ascalon,
first of all welcome to the forum.
The first one seems to be a sekin from Sumatra and a very nice one at all.
The second knife I don't know, maybe from Lombok, also very nice.
Regards,
sajen

Sajen · 26th February 2009, 04:48 PM

Hello again,
by my second look I have to correct myself. The blade don't look like a sekin. A sekin normally don't have pamor and have near the handle greneng. Only the handle look like a handle from a sekin.

asomotif · 26th February 2009, 05:21 PM

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Only the handle look like a handle from a sekin

The handle looks like a sekin.
But the scabbard looks like Sumbawa.

The blade form is very common, could be various origins.

The second knife, I have no idea. Coudl use some better pictures of the carvings.

Best regards,
Willem

Henk · 26th February 2009, 08:26 PM

Hello Ascalon, welcome on the forum.

Willem is quite right. The scabbard is from Sulawesi, and is a Badek scabbard. The hilt is probably from a Sekin and is not original to the scabbard. Take a look when placed in the scabbard, it doesnt fit. The hilt should be inside the scabbard. The hilt doesn't also fit the blade. To much space between the blade and the tang. The blade is Sumatran and looks like a Tumbok lada blade. The blade has a Batu lapak. Mostly the sign of a Sumatra blade. But as Willem said common blade, could be various origins. It is a typical mariage of different parts. But I love the scabbard.

The next one puzzles me. The carving of the hilt and the scabbard gave me the idea of Batak. This knife has age. In the archipello a lot of knives are found wich didn't got a specific name.
A Badek was in my mind, pistol grip and the carving on the scabbard mouth as well as the shape of the blade, but not the rather simple dress we use to see by the Badek. But it could also be a form of Piso or a Rawit. It is Sumatran, I'm rather convinced of that because of the look of the blade.

Ascalon · 26th February 2009, 10:20 PM

Thanks

I better understand why i didn't identify the first knife.

This one is curious too:

and i hope this one is more classic:

Best regards
Emmanuel

Henk · 27th February 2009, 07:03 AM

The first one is a chundrik.

The second one is a mariage as well. I think it is a Badek but the hilt is from a Sumatran pedang.

kai · 27th February 2009, 08:51 PM

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The first one is a chundrik.

Yes, looks like a good and well-preserved Bali blade!

The hilt is not traditional though - I'd guess that the fittings are recent replacements.

Regards,
Kai

kai · 28th February 2009, 12:05 AM

Hello Emmanuel,

How long is the scabbard and how long is the blade without hilt?

Any pic of the whole blade?

Quote:

This one, 42 cm

I believe that Willem strikes pretty close to home with his Sumbawa suggestion; some of the shorter Sumbawa klewang do come with slender blades. I feel certain that this is no Sekin hilt - it may well be a variant Sumbawa hilt and seems to have genuine age. I agree that hilt and scabbard don't seem to match well: Looks like the silver ridges at the middle of the scabbard mouth got bent sideways to allow the hilt to meet the scabbard...

Regards,
Kai

Ascalon · 3rd March 2009, 07:42 PM

Thanks for comments.
I just receive the 2nd knive:

Best regards
Emmanuel

VANDOO · 3rd March 2009, 10:38 PM

YOUR SECOND KNIFE'S HANDLE IS CARVED LIKE THE HEAD OF A HORNBILL BIRD. IT IS VERY SIMULAR TO DAYAK WORK FROM BORNEO BUT COULD HAVE BEEN MADE ELSEWHERE LOMBOK OR BALI FOR INSTANCE. THE WORKMANSHIP IS VERY GOOD AND I HAVEN'T SEEN ONE LIKE IT BEFORE.
HERE ARE TWO EXAMPLES OF HORNBILL CARVING FROM BORNEO FOR COMPARISON. YOUR KNIFE DOES REMIND ME OF WORK DONE IN LOMBOK

AND STRIKES ME AS INFLUENCE FROM DAYAK AND BATAK STYLES. ITS A NICE ONE I LIKE IT.

19th February 2009, 07:36 PM	#1
Ascalon Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: France Posts: 45	indonesian knife? Hello I'm new on this forum, i'm french so my english is bad. I collect edge blade from several years. I need some help for ID some weapon of my collection. This one, 42 cm and this knife i bought yesterday Sorry for my poor english!

3rd March 2009, 10:38 PM	#12
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	YOUR SECOND KNIFE'S HANDLE IS CARVED LIKE THE HEAD OF A HORNBILL BIRD. IT IS VERY SIMULAR TO DAYAK WORK FROM BORNEO BUT COULD HAVE BEEN MADE ELSEWHERE LOMBOK OR BALI FOR INSTANCE. THE WORKMANSHIP IS VERY GOOD AND I HAVEN'T SEEN ONE LIKE IT BEFORE. HERE ARE TWO EXAMPLES OF HORNBILL CARVING FROM BORNEO FOR COMPARISON. YOUR KNIFE DOES REMIND ME OF WORK DONE IN LOMBOK AND STRIKES ME AS INFLUENCE FROM DAYAK AND BATAK STYLES. ITS A NICE ONE I LIKE IT. Attached Images

26th February 2009, 07:36 AM	#2
LPCA Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Toulouse - FRANCE Posts: 83	Hi, Ascalon. Indonesian stronghly possible. A lot of people there can go further on ID.... as my friend Henk or other sharped knowledges guys... You can also visit my website Blade (in french) http://blade.japet.com/ to help your research. Louis-Pierre

26th February 2009, 10:25 AM	#3
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,786	Hello Ascalon, first of all welcome to the forum. The first one seems to be a sekin from Sumatra and a very nice one at all. The second knife I don't know, maybe from Lombok, also very nice. Regards, sajen

26th February 2009, 04:48 PM	#4
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,786	Hello again, by my second look I have to correct myself. The blade don't look like a sekin. A sekin normally don't have pamor and have near the handle greneng. Only the handle look like a handle from a sekin.

26th February 2009, 08:26 PM	#6
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	Hello Ascalon, welcome on the forum. Willem is quite right. The scabbard is from Sulawesi, and is a Badek scabbard. The hilt is probably from a Sekin and is not original to the scabbard. Take a look when placed in the scabbard, it doesnt fit. The hilt should be inside the scabbard. The hilt doesn't also fit the blade. To much space between the blade and the tang. The blade is Sumatran and looks like a Tumbok lada blade. The blade has a Batu lapak. Mostly the sign of a Sumatra blade. But as Willem said common blade, could be various origins. It is a typical mariage of different parts. But I love the scabbard. The next one puzzles me. The carving of the hilt and the scabbard gave me the idea of Batak. This knife has age. In the archipello a lot of knives are found wich didn't got a specific name. A Badek was in my mind, pistol grip and the carving on the scabbard mouth as well as the shape of the blade, but not the rather simple dress we use to see by the Badek. But it could also be a form of Piso or a Rawit. It is Sumatran, I'm rather convinced of that because of the look of the blade.

26th February 2009, 10:20 PM	#7
Ascalon Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: France Posts: 45	Thanks I better understand why i didn't identify the first knife. This one is curious too: and i hope this one is more classic: Best regards Emmanuel

27th February 2009, 07:03 AM	#8
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	The first one is a chundrik. The second one is a mariage as well. I think it is a Badek but the hilt is from a Sumatran pedang.

3rd March 2009, 07:42 PM	#11
Ascalon Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: France Posts: 45	Thanks for comments. I just receive the 2nd knive: Best regards Emmanuel