|
8th February 2009, 10:15 AM
|
#1 |
|
Member
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 318
|
Wear on (ivory) hilts
I have three very similar Madura hilts.
They have the "exact" same design. They all three look quite old. But the amount of wear differs very much. How much time does it take for as much wear as on the 3rd example? (ps the 2nd one might be bone and the 3rd has a repair) I know it probably says more about the amount of use than just age but it must have take quite few years even with much use. Any ideas on age of these examples? Regards, Erik Last edited by erikscollectables; 8th February 2009 at 11:45 AM. |
|
|
|
8th February 2009, 01:27 PM
|
#2 | |
|
Member
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Germany, Dortmund
Posts: 8,761
|
Quote:
Hi Erik, so far I know are these Maduran hilts strongly european swayed. This is to see by the epaulettes. I think that the hilt in the middle also from ivory but difficult to to say without handling. I own also five ivory hilts in this style and all shown a different colour. I think that the hilt in the middle dates back to beginning 20 th century or end of 19 th century the others maybe many moore old. The hilt in the middle is the finest, very well carved. Regards, sajen |
|
|
|
|
|
8th February 2009, 01:49 PM
|
#3 | |
|
Member
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 318
|
Thanks Sajen,
I agree totally, the carving of the middle one is very good, maybe the best in my collection, Would you share pictures of your hilts here? I am very interested in these type of hilts (and Madura in general too) Erik Quote:
|
|
|
|
|
|
8th February 2009, 02:32 PM
|
#4 | |
|
Member
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Germany, Dortmund
Posts: 8,761
|
Quote:
when I will find the time I'll take some pictures from four, the other one not in my house in the moment. Detlef |
|
|
|
|
|
8th February 2009, 03:41 PM
|
#5 |
|
Member
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 318
|
This is probably my best ivory Madura hilt and my overall favorite...
|
|
|
|
|
8th February 2009, 03:44 PM
|
#6 |
|
Member
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 318
|
Another donoriko with Kuda Panoleh in the center
Marine ivory with a nice colour |
|
|
|
|
8th February 2009, 03:48 PM
|
#7 |
|
Member
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Germany, Dortmund
Posts: 8,761
|
Hello Erik,
here the pictures, sorry poor quality because fast taken. At first three ivory hilts. Two of them without epaulettes, maybe a sign of age? Second two wooden hilts of good quality and third a ivory one on a Madura keris with good quality like yours in the middle. Regards, sajen |
|
|
|
|
8th February 2009, 04:11 PM
|
#8 |
|
Member
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Germany, Dortmund
Posts: 8,761
|
Erik,
your "white" ivory donoriko is very nice and from good quality. When you bored him pm me   .Madura hilts have a great diversity of forms, you can found every time new styles. I personally like the "tree of life" form most. From the donoriko style hilts I also have some. Detlef |
|
|
|
|
8th February 2009, 06:17 PM
|
#9 | |
|
Member
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 318
|
Detlef,
Very nice examples! Like the one on the keris very much. Great darkbrown colour. I have on in that colour too but the carving is very good indeed! About the epaulets, I think these will be from after 1830 but more is hard to say and not having epaulets can be from all times is my guess. Erik Quote:
|
|
|
|
|
|
9th February 2009, 05:25 AM
|
#10 |
|
Member
Join Date: May 2007
Location: J a k a r t a
Posts: 991
|
Dear All,
Another example of Maduran hilt, from different side of view... GANJAWULUNG |
|
|
|
|
9th February 2009, 05:28 AM
|
#11 |
|
Member
Join Date: May 2007
Location: J a k a r t a
Posts: 991
|
.. more Maduran hilt from three diferrent views...
JURANGGRAWAH |
|
|
|
|
9th February 2009, 05:30 AM
|
#12 |
|
Member
Join Date: May 2007
Location: J a k a r t a
Posts: 991
|
... And Donoriko example, from different side of views...
JURANGGRAWAH |
|
|
|
|
9th February 2009, 08:55 AM
|
#13 |
|
Member
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Italy
Posts: 928
|
three other similar Madura hits
|
|
|
|
|
9th February 2009, 05:57 PM
|
#14 |
|
Member
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 199
|
wouw... all hilts are great
|
|
|
|
|
9th February 2009, 06:52 PM
|
#15 | |
|
Member
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 318
|
Totally agree! Some great hilts out there!
For the people in the Netherlands. Next meeting of the Kris study group will be about Maduran krisses! Regards, Erik Quote:
|
|
|
|
|
|
9th February 2009, 09:08 PM
|
#16 | |
|
Member
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Germany, Dortmund
Posts: 8,761
|
Quote:
Yes, also agree with Raden Usman Djogja. Very nice hilts. Here my donoriko hilts, two from wood, the others ivory. Detlef |
|
|
|
|
|
9th February 2009, 09:13 PM
|
#17 |
|
Member
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Germany, Dortmund
Posts: 8,761
|
And one moore from ivory, open worked. One side with female kuda the other with male.
|
|
|
|
 |
|
|
Linear Mode
