miniature swords

ausjulius · 15th December 2008, 10:03 PM

well i didn't know where to put this, i was thinking in the european section, but then there is a lot of other miniatures that arnt made in europe , although the mini letter opener swords seem to be the bulk.

i was more interested in functional miniature swords, that is little copies of larger swords,
ive seen some very nice chinese miniatures looking to be from the 1900s or so and some miniature kindjals that were perfect replicas of larger form ,
alas i have fotos to share,

occasionaly on ebay these items come up as well , recently i saw a very nice miniature scottish basket hilted sword and in the past some tiny indonesian kris daggers ..

if anyone has in their collection some nice minitures please share

i do wounder how far back making functional miniatures of swords and knives goes??

Gavin Nugent · 16th December 2008, 04:07 AM

G'day Ausjulius.

I spoke with R.D.C. Evans a few years ago, the author of "The Plug Bayonet" Upon selling his amazing plug bayonet collection he indicated to me that his intent was to write another books on this very subject.
I suggest tracking his email address down and contacting him direct, he may be able to offer you information on the subject. I beleive a few members may be able to help bring you two together.

Gav

celtan · 16th December 2008, 05:43 AM

German miniature daggers come to mind, they were non-reg, and basically came in two flavors, letter openers and mementos.

I own one of the Luftwaffe First Model, out of three or perhaps four letter-openers known in existence.

Jim McDougall · 16th December 2008, 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by freebooter

G'day Ausjulius.

I spoke with R.D.C. Evans a few years ago, the author of "The Plug Bayonet" Upon selling his amazing plug bayonet collection he indicated to me that his intent was to write another books on this very subject.
I suggest tracking his email address down and contacting him direct, he may be able to offer you information on the subject. I beleive a few members may be able to help bring you two together.

Gav

Hi Gav and Ausjulius,
What an interesting topic! and I would be uncertain as well exactly on how this would be classified as these are not exactly weapons...however they would be considered associated items. There are of course many ethnographic and traditional weapons that are no longer functional as such, yet serve as elements of traditional costume or ceremonial regalia.

In any case, intriguing, and I also recall when Roger Evans sold off the incredible plug bayonet collection he had amassed and written on for many years. I must admit I was surprised when he told me of his project on miniature weapons, as it was so unusual, and I honestly could not think of anything specifically on the subject. I have written him upon seeing this, so hopefully I will hear from him. Its been a while since communicating with him so hopefully we'll hear soon.

Maybe this is an idea I could use....a sword collection that would fit in the bookmobile!!

All the best,
Jim

Robert · 16th December 2008, 06:24 AM

Here are a few from the Philippines. They are probably in the letter opener class except one that I'm not sure what it is. From the left a Spanish influenced Dagger that has Port Sual Luzon scratched into the grip, length 7" The next is a Garab, length 6-1/2".The next a Talibon, length 7" and the last I don't know what to call,

length 8-3/4". It is much better made and sharp enough to be used as a razor. If anyone has any ideas on the last one please let me know. Thank you.

Robert

ausjulius · 16th December 2008, 08:30 AM

interesting the little philipino knives, in mexico making miniature knives and also miniature pistols and rifles was a common trinket business in he 1930s or so, ive seen many mini machetes and swords and bowie knives and such aswell as mini k98 and 1896 mausers and colt 1911 pistols and such.. looking all made by hand..

i wounder what is the oldest miniature sword or knives that has been found.....

trenchwarfare · 19th December 2008, 03:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freebooter

G'day Ausjulius.

I spoke with R.D.C. Evans a few years ago, the author of "The Plug Bayonet" Upon selling his amazing plug bayonet collection he indicated to me that his intent was to write another books on this very subject.
I suggest tracking his email address down and contacting him direct, he may be able to offer you information on the subject. I beleive a few members may be able to help bring you two together.

Gav

I'm not 100% sure, but I think I heard that Mr. Evans Passed away a couple of years ago? Not long after he purchased a miniature bayonet from me on ebay. Also. Some of the better made German sword and dagger mini's are salesman's samples. M.P.

Jim McDougall · 19th December 2008, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by trenchwarfare

I'm not 100% sure, but I think I heard that Mr. Evans Passed away a couple of years ago? Not long after he purchased a miniature bayonet from me on ebay. Also. Some of the better made German sword and dagger mini's are salesman's samples. M.P.

Are you sure? It seems like I've spoken with him since then, but I cant be sure, the last year and a half has been pretty disconnected, and the email I just sent him came back. I hope this isnt true! He was excited about retirement and his work on miniature weapons.

asomotif · 19th December 2008, 10:03 PM

MINI JIMPUL / APPROX 1900-1930.

Ps. as miniatures are involved. can we all mention the size or put something in the picture to give some reference to size

asomotif · 19th December 2008, 10:12 PM

RENCONG / LETTER OPENER ? Next to his full size brother.
I have no idea on the age of this miniature rencong.
Once I have been told that they sometimes date from pre ww2 period.
But I also see well made comtemporary rencong that are more of a letter opener than a belly opener.
Not how transparant the horn scabbard is.

asomotif · 19th December 2008, 10:18 PM

Small mandau. In fact this is not a miniature, but made for a child.

For the connaisseurs, note that the shape of the scabbard suggests that this childs mandau was worn on the left

while the shape of the blade suggest right handed 'use'.

15th December 2008, 10:03 PM	#1
ausjulius Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: musorian territory Posts: 422	miniature swords well i didn't know where to put this, i was thinking in the european section, but then there is a lot of other miniatures that arnt made in europe , although the mini letter opener swords seem to be the bulk. i was more interested in functional miniature swords, that is little copies of larger swords, ive seen some very nice chinese miniatures looking to be from the 1900s or so and some miniature kindjals that were perfect replicas of larger form , alas i have fotos to share, occasionaly on ebay these items come up as well , recently i saw a very nice miniature scottish basket hilted sword and in the past some tiny indonesian kris daggers .. if anyone has in their collection some nice minitures please share i do wounder how far back making functional miniatures of swords and knives goes??

16th December 2008, 04:07 AM	#2
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	A suggestion G'day Ausjulius. I spoke with R.D.C. Evans a few years ago, the author of "The Plug Bayonet" Upon selling his amazing plug bayonet collection he indicated to me that his intent was to write another books on this very subject. I suggest tracking his email address down and contacting him direct, he may be able to offer you information on the subject. I beleive a few members may be able to help bring you two together. Gav

16th December 2008, 06:24 AM	#5
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Here are a few from the Philippines. They are probably in the letter opener class except one that I'm not sure what it is. From the left a Spanish influenced Dagger that has Port Sual Luzon scratched into the grip, length 7" The next is a Garab, length 6-1/2".The next a Talibon, length 7" and the last I don't know what to call, length 8-3/4". It is much better made and sharp enough to be used as a razor. If anyone has any ideas on the last one please let me know. Thank you. Robert Attached Images

19th December 2008, 10:03 PM	#9
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,225	MINI JIMPUL / APPROX 1900-1930. Ps. as miniatures are involved. can we all mention the size or put something in the picture to give some reference to size Attached Images

19th December 2008, 10:12 PM	#10
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,225	RENCONG / LETTER OPENER ? Next to his full size brother. I have no idea on the age of this miniature rencong. Once I have been told that they sometimes date from pre ww2 period. But I also see well made comtemporary rencong that are more of a letter opener than a belly opener. Not how transparant the horn scabbard is. Attached Images

16th December 2008, 05:43 AM	#3
celtan Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: PR, USA Posts: 679	German miniature daggers come to mind, they were non-reg, and basically came in two flavors, letter openers and mementos. I own one of the Luftwaffe First Model, out of three or perhaps four letter-openers known in existence.

16th December 2008, 08:30 AM	#6
ausjulius Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: musorian territory Posts: 422	interesting the little philipino knives, in mexico making miniature knives and also miniature pistols and rifles was a common trinket business in he 1930s or so, ive seen many mini machetes and swords and bowie knives and such aswell as mini k98 and 1896 mausers and colt 1911 pistols and such.. looking all made by hand.. i wounder what is the oldest miniature sword or knives that has been found.....

19th December 2008, 10:18 PM	#11
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,225	Small mandau. In fact this is not a miniature, but made for a child. For the connaisseurs, note that the shape of the scabbard suggests that this childs mandau was worn on the left while the shape of the blade suggest right handed 'use'. Attached Images