SEA Sword ? With hairpin lamination ?

katana · 16th October 2008, 09:26 PM

Hi,
just finished on eBay, was suggested a form of a Klewang that has had a re-hilt (suggested by one observer as a parasol handle). It looks as if there are signs of hairpin lamination

Lack of knowledge prevented me bidding enough to win. I wondered about other peoples opinions.

Thank you for all comments.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...ayphotohosting

Regards David

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VVV · 16th October 2008, 10:10 PM

It's an Aceh Sikin Panjang blade with a very odd, outside the culture, hilt.
It doesn't look like a useful combination "tool-wise".

Michael

katana · 16th October 2008, 10:43 PM

Thank you Micheal

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it was the blade I really liked, is it likely 'hairpin' lamination ? I agree the hilt is an oddity and its overall shape is not really suited to the sword's functional use.
I have always associated 'hairpin' lamination with Oriental origins, if this (the blade) is this type ..did the bladesmiths of Aceh produce this blade or was it, perhaps, imported ?

Kind regards David

VVV · 17th October 2008, 06:15 AM

I assume that this blade was locally made as I have never heard about any imported Sikin blades.

Michael

kronckew · 17th October 2008, 07:06 AM

i lost that one by a pound, the blade was what i was after, the handle someone had commented on as being a burmese parasol handle. ah, well, wasn't going to risk more especially when the postage from germany was not mentioned. i had visions of putting a more culturally correct grip on it.

the laminations look more like just straight laminated steel, not hairpins.

nice blade, whoever put the parasol handle on it was in an altered state at the time...i initially thought it was a large bread knife

katana · 17th October 2008, 02:04 PM

Hi Micheal,
thanks again for your insight

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kronckew

the blade was what i was after, the handle someone had commented on as being a burmese parasol handle. ah, well, wasn't going to risk more especially when the postage from germany was not mentioned. i had visions of putting a more culturally correct grip on it.

Hi Kronckew,
'great minds'... and all that. I too was thinking the same ...the only slight problem I had with the blade was, it looked to be 'overly cleaned'. The postage was £14 .... not overly expensive. I was thinking of removing the handle and selling it, I'm sure a parasol collector (strange what some people collect

) or similar would be interested ...and the 'funds' used towards a genuine replacement

I wasn't convinced of the Klewang 'connection', but felt certain it was of SEA origins. The 'parasol' handle was stated as Burmese, whether the handle was fitted recently, to sell or was part of its legitimate history is a mystery....but feel its overall shape would not provide a good 'grip' for the wielder.

Kind Regards David

josh stout · 17th October 2008, 05:57 PM

The blade looks nice, but I don't see the hairpin folds in it. I have seen a similar blade from Aceh with definite hairpin folds that I wanted quite badly, but the price was too high for me. I have often wondered about it though. The Acenese blade shape is quite reminiscent of Tibetan things, and I have wondered if it does not represent an early form that died out in other regions leaving a few isolated spots like Aceh and Tibet with the older style.

Still it seems convergent evolution is a more parsimonious explanation.
Josh

16th October 2008, 09:26 PM	#1
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,653	SEA Sword ? With hairpin lamination ? Hi, just finished on eBay, was suggested a form of a Klewang that has had a re-hilt (suggested by one observer as a parasol handle). It looks as if there are signs of hairpin lamination Lack of knowledge prevented me bidding enough to win. I wondered about other peoples opinions. Thank you for all comments. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...ayphotohosting Regards David . Attached Images Last edited by katana; 17th October 2008 at 02:06 PM.

16th October 2008, 10:10 PM	#2
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	It's an Aceh Sikin Panjang blade with a very odd, outside the culture, hilt. It doesn't look like a useful combination "tool-wise". Michael

16th October 2008, 10:43 PM	#3
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,653	Thank you Micheal , it was the blade I really liked, is it likely 'hairpin' lamination ? I agree the hilt is an oddity and its overall shape is not really suited to the sword's functional use. I have always associated 'hairpin' lamination with Oriental origins, if this (the blade) is this type ..did the bladesmiths of Aceh produce this blade or was it, perhaps, imported ? Kind regards David

17th October 2008, 06:15 AM	#4
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	I assume that this blade was locally made as I have never heard about any imported Sikin blades. Michael

17th October 2008, 07:06 AM	#5
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,161	i lost that one by a pound, the blade was what i was after, the handle someone had commented on as being a burmese parasol handle. ah, well, wasn't going to risk more especially when the postage from germany was not mentioned. i had visions of putting a more culturally correct grip on it. the laminations look more like just straight laminated steel, not hairpins. nice blade, whoever put the parasol handle on it was in an altered state at the time...i initially thought it was a large bread knife

17th October 2008, 05:57 PM	#7
josh stout Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 407	The blade looks nice, but I don't see the hairpin folds in it. I have seen a similar blade from Aceh with definite hairpin folds that I wanted quite badly, but the price was too high for me. I have often wondered about it though. The Acenese blade shape is quite reminiscent of Tibetan things, and I have wondered if it does not represent an early form that died out in other regions leaving a few isolated spots like Aceh and Tibet with the older style. Still it seems convergent evolution is a more parsimonious explanation. Josh