Dagger I.D. please.

Norman McCormick · 1st March 2008, 04:42 PM

Hi,
Got this recently and would like your ideas. Length 8 3/4 inches, blade 5 inches, the usual where? what? and when? Bone handle with full tang blade, looks quite utility, handles nicely and appears well used. The over large leather loop,12 1/2 inches, on the sheath has me a wee bit perplexed, attached to a waist belt and it would be down mid thigh, this seems somewhat improbable therefore how would it be worn? Thanks in advance to any and all replies.
Regards,
Norman.

katana · 1st March 2008, 05:28 PM

Could the leather loop be used as a shoulder 'holster' ?

ariel · 1st March 2008, 07:06 PM

Perhaps I am infected with the Afghan fever, but it does look Afghan to me: look at the bolster.

Norman McCormick · 1st March 2008, 07:08 PM

Hi Katana,
Tried your idea re shoulder holster, the loop is just too small to work with any degree of ease or usefulness the leather strip that would appear to have been used to stop the knife falling out the sheath, which is through both straps, effectively shortens the loop by a couple of inches making matters worse, it's a nice idea but unfortunately not practical. Thanks anyway.
Regards,
Norman

Jim McDougall · 1st March 2008, 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ariel

Perhaps I am infected with the Afghan fever, but it does look Afghan to me: look at the bolster.

I agree with Ariel. The entire blade root and bolster assemblage recalls Khybers and chooras, also the stepped blade back with transverse lines seems Central Asian.

spiral · 1st March 2008, 07:47 PM

I agree definatly Muslim design, but to my eye a Balkan or Turkish area kard would seem possible?

Is the strap definatly original to the sheath?

Spiral

Norman McCormick · 1st March 2008, 08:11 PM

Hi,
Spiral good point, looking again I think it is almost certain that the strap is not original to the scabbard, different colours and the scabbard was not designed to accept the square metal ring that marries them together having said that the strap is definitely hand cut and hand sewn. There appears to be no obvious suspension point original to the scabbard. Hope this helps.
Regards,
Norman.

Battara · 2nd March 2008, 02:11 AM

.....And as for the handle material...(drum roll please)....it is bone.....

RobT · 2nd March 2008, 02:55 AM

Hi All,
Well, the bolster sure looks Afghani as do the brass liners between the tang and the hilt scales but the file work and jimping on the spine looks the same as my khodmi/bou saadi blades. The graving on the side of the blade is reminiscent of those north African pieces also.
Sincerely,
RobT

Norman McCormick · 2nd March 2008, 08:56 PM

Hi,
Appears to be a bit of a cross cultural enigma, I did try to match it with images on the net but it didn't fit into any of the usual pigeon holes. It is sharp and seems well used and has been looked after so it was a useful tool to someone but where and when?
Regards,
Norman.

1st March 2008, 04:42 PM	#1
Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,596	Dagger I.D. please. Hi, Got this recently and would like your ideas. Length 8 3/4 inches, blade 5 inches, the usual where? what? and when? Bone handle with full tang blade, looks quite utility, handles nicely and appears well used. The over large leather loop,12 1/2 inches, on the sheath has me a wee bit perplexed, attached to a waist belt and it would be down mid thigh, this seems somewhat improbable therefore how would it be worn? Thanks in advance to any and all replies. Regards, Norman. Attached Images

2nd March 2008, 02:55 AM	#9
RobT Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 486	North African Spine? Hi All, Well, the bolster sure looks Afghani as do the brass liners between the tang and the hilt scales but the file work and jimping on the spine looks the same as my khodmi/bou saadi blades. The graving on the side of the blade is reminiscent of those north African pieces also. Sincerely, RobT

1st March 2008, 05:28 PM	#2
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,653	Could the leather loop be used as a shoulder 'holster' ?

1st March 2008, 07:06 PM	#3
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Perhaps I am infected with the Afghan fever, but it does look Afghan to me: look at the bolster.

1st March 2008, 07:08 PM	#4
Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,596	Hi Katana, Tried your idea re shoulder holster, the loop is just too small to work with any degree of ease or usefulness the leather strip that would appear to have been used to stop the knife falling out the sheath, which is through both straps, effectively shortens the loop by a couple of inches making matters worse, it's a nice idea but unfortunately not practical. Thanks anyway. Regards, Norman

1st March 2008, 07:47 PM	#6
spiral Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,712	I agree definatly Muslim design, but to my eye a Balkan or Turkish area kard would seem possible? Is the strap definatly original to the sheath? Spiral

1st March 2008, 08:11 PM	#7
Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,596	Hi, Spiral good point, looking again I think it is almost certain that the strap is not original to the scabbard, different colours and the scabbard was not designed to accept the square metal ring that marries them together having said that the strap is definitely hand cut and hand sewn. There appears to be no obvious suspension point original to the scabbard. Hope this helps. Regards, Norman.

2nd March 2008, 02:11 AM	#8
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,217	.....And as for the handle material...(drum roll please)....it is bone.....

2nd March 2008, 08:56 PM	#10
Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,596	Hi, Appears to be a bit of a cross cultural enigma, I did try to match it with images on the net but it didn't fit into any of the usual pigeon holes. It is sharp and seems well used and has been looked after so it was a useful tool to someone but where and when? Regards, Norman.