I got a kudi

paolo · 24th June 2007, 11:07 AM

Hi all,
I got this kudi. The seller told :" the blade is not one of these lots of fakes..... it is antique". I like to have Your comments about the "antiquity" of the blade and on the whole item (I never saw a similar one), whose origin should be West Java (Java Barat).
Regards
Paolo

Lew · 24th June 2007, 12:08 PM

Hey guys

Didn't we get shots for them kudies when we were kids

Very interesting dagger.

Lew

cahaya · 25th June 2007, 07:46 AM

Hai Paolo....
nice colection....
but please beware...

this pictures just my ilustration.... (sorry i copy frm your picture)

thanks
cahaya
note:just for my study

Battara · 26th June 2007, 02:01 AM

Do you think this is a recent manufacture?

Alam Shah · 26th June 2007, 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Battara

Do you think this is a recent manufacture?

My first thoughts too. Reminds me of Valiant Co pieces... [ examples here ], [ more ].

However, the curvature of this piece is 'straighter' than the Valiant Co examples.

Alam Shah · 26th June 2007, 03:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cahaya

...this pictures just my ilustration.... (sorry i copy frm your picture)
note:just for my study

Cahaya, I don't understand what is it that you're trying to convey from your illustration? Please enlighten me...

David · 26th June 2007, 04:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alam Shah

My first thoughts too. Reminds me of Valiant Co pieces... [ examples here ], [ more ].

However, the curvature of this piece is 'straigther' than the Valaint Co examples.

My thoughts as well.

cahaya · 26th June 2007, 05:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alam Shah

...I don't understand what is it that you're trying to convey from your illustration? Please enlighten me...

Hi alam

...

i dont understand too abaut what i'm doing , i'm try to imaging if i have spear (a big one) n try to make a kudi .....

,..can i..?

Alam Shah · 26th June 2007, 06:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cahaya

Hi alam

...

i dont understand too abaut what i'm doing , i'm try to imaging if i have spear (a big one) n try to make a kudi .....

,..can i..?

I guess, it's possible to make one.

paolo · 26th June 2007, 11:09 AM

Surely my kudi looks similar to the Valiant Co, but IMO is of an higher quality. I know that with arsenic bathes is possible to have an older blade, but the pamor has a good patina, that doesn't seems dued to repeated washes. Also the wood looks old, but I guess newer than the blade.
Paolo

Newsteel · 26th June 2007, 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David

My thoughts as well.

Me too. But I have seen it somewhere in a local keris shop, exactly the same with that macan (tiger) hilt. The blade sure looks thick.

kronckew · 26th June 2007, 12:51 PM

someone once told me that the ones with 5 holes along the spine were islamic, and represented the 5 pillars of the faith. the older ones had 3 holes, like this one of mine:

(came from an estate sale on ebay, listed as an 'ugly rusty old knife')

cahaya · 26th June 2007, 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kronckew

someone once told me that the ones with 5 holes along the spine were islamic, and represented the 5 pillars of the faith. the older ones had 3 holes, like this one of mine:

Hi Kronckew,..

yes you are right...

ni collection... congratulation...

asian-keris · 26th June 2007, 09:28 PM

Hi all,
Sorry but this seems to be a nice reproduction.
The blade texture Or patine looks be etched into the blade.
The dapur is not like the old ones. (to perfect holes and outlinings)
Nice but Modern sarong.
Gert-Jan

ganjawulung · 27th June 2007, 02:18 AM

Dear All,
I've posted before, these pictures of kudi and kudi-daun (leaf-kudi) in another thread. I hope it is still useful for comparison. The kudi's sheath, is 20th century Surakarta's style with "sunggingan" (wayang ornamenting).

Ganjawulung

Alam Shah · 27th June 2007, 04:30 AM

My broken Kujang Badak mata 3. Nothing spectacular... just for comparison.

Also known as Kujang cengkok Mangku Alam.

ganjawulung · 17th July 2007, 04:38 AM

This is more comparison on kudi, or West Javanese people say as Kujang... Sorry for not cleaning it yet. I hope it is not wasting your time..

Ganjawulung

24th June 2007, 11:07 AM	#1
paolo Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 173	I got a kudi Hi all, I got this kudi. The seller told :" the blade is not one of these lots of fakes..... it is antique". I like to have Your comments about the "antiquity" of the blade and on the whole item (I never saw a similar one), whose origin should be West Java (Java Barat). Regards Paolo Attached Images

25th June 2007, 07:46 AM	#3
cahaya Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 49	Hai Paolo.... nice colection.... but please beware... this pictures just my ilustration.... (sorry i copy frm your picture) thanks cahaya note:just for my study Attached Images

26th June 2007, 09:28 PM	#14
asian-keris Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 32	kudi Hi all, Sorry but this seems to be a nice reproduction. The blade texture Or patine looks be etched into the blade. The dapur is not like the old ones. (to perfect holes and outlinings) Nice but Modern sarong. Gert-Jan

27th June 2007, 02:18 AM	#15
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	Dear All, I've posted before, these pictures of kudi and kudi-daun (leaf-kudi) in another thread. I hope it is still useful for comparison. The kudi's sheath, is 20th century Surakarta's style with "sunggingan" (wayang ornamenting). Ganjawulung Attached Images

27th June 2007, 04:30 AM	#16
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	My broken Kujang Badak mata 3. Nothing spectacular... just for comparison. Also known as Kujang cengkok Mangku Alam. Attached Images Last edited by Alam Shah; 27th June 2007 at 05:53 AM. Reason: add comment

24th June 2007, 12:08 PM	#2
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Hey guys Didn't we get shots for them kudies when we were kids Very interesting dagger. Lew

26th June 2007, 02:01 AM	#4
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,220	Do you think this is a recent manufacture?

26th June 2007, 11:09 AM	#10
paolo Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 173	Surely my kudi looks similar to the Valiant Co, but IMO is of an higher quality. I know that with arsenic bathes is possible to have an older blade, but the pamor has a good patina, that doesn't seems dued to repeated washes. Also the wood looks old, but I guess newer than the blade. Paolo

26th June 2007, 12:51 PM	#12
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,183	someone once told me that the ones with 5 holes along the spine were islamic, and represented the 5 pillars of the faith. the older ones had 3 holes, like this one of mine: (came from an estate sale on ebay, listed as an 'ugly rusty old knife')

17th July 2007, 04:38 AM	#17
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	More Kujang or Kudi This is more comparison on kudi, or West Javanese people say as Kujang... Sorry for not cleaning it yet. I hope it is not wasting your time.. Ganjawulung Attached Images