PI Kris for ID and Comments

moose · 4th March 2005, 09:52 PM

I have another kris I wanted to post for comments and Id. Should I post it here or should I start a new thread??

Forumites suggestions?

moose

Rick · 4th March 2005, 10:27 PM

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Cancel that , post it here .

Battara · 4th March 2005, 10:37 PM

Moose, I would not call that a trident, but part of the plant "okir" motif used on these blades. Also, by the look of the mounts on the hilt, it looks like you have bands of silver and copper with a gold wash (or at least worn gold over copper). I agree with the other assessments already mentioned.

moose · 5th March 2005, 09:44 PM

Battara,
Thanks. Later on I'll post some pics of a dagger I have that I believe has Solomon's square and some Tridents on it.

Yes it looks like silver and Gold over copper. Is that called suassa? sp? or something like it.

moose

Battara · 6th March 2005, 01:11 PM

No. Swassa (swaasa, suassa, suaasa, etc.) is not a layer of gold over copper but a mix of gold, copper, and sometimes other metals to produce a 7-9K gold and change in color from a pinkish hue to orange, red, or even green (rarer) hue.

moose · 6th March 2005, 11:41 PM

Here's the second kris I bought. Again a number of years ago. Got this one at a gun show. It was laying on the table in a big pile of mixed blades

I liked it intially because of the diminutive cockatoo that reminded me of my first kris. I also liked the deeper arrowheads and what looks like a gold maker's mark.
It was a lot smaller and no sheath. The blade is 18" 22 3/4" oal. It has a forging fault mid blade on the left side.

Comments Please.

moose

Federico · 7th March 2005, 12:24 AM

Very nice kris. If youve seen any of the other kris threads that exploded with huge number of posts, this is one of the infamous archaic aka. 18th Century kris. It is a very nice example, and the dimmunative cockatua may be orginal, though it does seem like the hilt was lengthened at some point. At least Bob Cato in his book Moro Swords, feels that the 18th century/archaic style originally had hilts of dimmunitive size and pommels. Anyways, try wading through the other origins of kris, is this a moro kris, etc... threads and decide for yourself if this style is truly Moro or not. I still feel they are, with some interesting Brunei conntections, but then that is just my opinion, others have been very voiciferous to the contrary. Anyways, very nice kris, me likey a whole lot.

6th March 2005, 11:41 PM	#6
moose Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portage, Michigan USA Posts: 44	Kris #2 Here's the second kris I bought. Again a number of years ago. Got this one at a gun show. It was laying on the table in a big pile of mixed blades I liked it intially because of the diminutive cockatoo that reminded me of my first kris. I also liked the deeper arrowheads and what looks like a gold maker's mark. It was a lot smaller and no sheath. The blade is 18" 22 3/4" oal. It has a forging fault mid blade on the left side. Comments Please. moose Attached Images

4th March 2005, 09:52 PM	#1
moose Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portage, Michigan USA Posts: 44	I have another kris I wanted to post for comments and Id. Should I post it here or should I start a new thread?? Forumites suggestions? moose

4th March 2005, 10:27 PM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	Edited Cancel that , post it here .

4th March 2005, 10:37 PM	#3
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,225	Moose, I would not call that a trident, but part of the plant "okir" motif used on these blades. Also, by the look of the mounts on the hilt, it looks like you have bands of silver and copper with a gold wash (or at least worn gold over copper). I agree with the other assessments already mentioned.

5th March 2005, 09:44 PM	#4
moose Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portage, Michigan USA Posts: 44	Battara, Thanks. Later on I'll post some pics of a dagger I have that I believe has Solomon's square and some Tridents on it. Yes it looks like silver and Gold over copper. Is that called suassa? sp? or something like it. moose

6th March 2005, 01:11 PM	#5
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,225	No. Swassa (swaasa, suassa, suaasa, etc.) is not a layer of gold over copper but a mix of gold, copper, and sometimes other metals to produce a 7-9K gold and change in color from a pinkish hue to orange, red, or even green (rarer) hue.

7th March 2005, 12:24 AM	#7
Federico Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Minneapolis, MN, USA Posts: 312	Very nice kris. If youve seen any of the other kris threads that exploded with huge number of posts, this is one of the infamous archaic aka. 18th Century kris. It is a very nice example, and the dimmunative cockatua may be orginal, though it does seem like the hilt was lengthened at some point. At least Bob Cato in his book Moro Swords, feels that the 18th century/archaic style originally had hilts of dimmunitive size and pommels. Anyways, try wading through the other origins of kris, is this a moro kris, etc... threads and decide for yourself if this style is truly Moro or not. I still feel they are, with some interesting Brunei conntections, but then that is just my opinion, others have been very voiciferous to the contrary. Anyways, very nice kris, me likey a whole lot.