PISO PONDANG ? Comments Appreciated

katana · 17th June 2007, 02:55 PM

Hi,
I have just added this to my collection, a nice looking Piso Podang....I think....Looks genuinely old and used ....the fuller runs to the point, suggesting tip damage in its past.
Not certain, whether the blade is European, Indian or local

I do not have the sword 'to hand', so for now, the sellers pictures will have to suffice.

Comments greatly appreciated

Rick · 17th June 2007, 04:25 PM

I don't believe that's a piso podang Katana; quillons on a piso are usually flattened at the ends .
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ht=piso+podang

Not sure how this sword would be classified .

I'll bet Jens knows .

Flavio · 17th June 2007, 04:48 PM

Hi David, I agree with Rick. Could be a pulwar?????

Lew · 17th June 2007, 05:01 PM

Not a piso podang. Could be a pulwar or an older 17th or 18 century tulwar.

Lew

ward · 17th June 2007, 06:25 PM

Tulwar. No downward quillons

katana · 17th June 2007, 06:54 PM

Thankyou all for your input.

I didn't think this was a Pulwar because, as Ward has already mentioned, the quillions were not 'upturned' towards the blade.
Never considered this to be a Tulwar because of the lack of curveature of the blade. A Ferengi 'minus' the 'basket hilt' was a possibillity. But the overall impression was that this sword was a Piso Podang......now I am totally confused

Lew, you suggested 17thC - 18th C , is that due to the hilt design ?

Henk · 17th June 2007, 07:42 PM

Certainly not a piso podang.

The hilt is the hilt form you see on the tulwar. A straight bladed tulwar or even maybe a firangi. Firangi means foreign blade.

You have to search in the tulwar region.

Battara · 18th June 2007, 07:29 PM

I'm in the tulwar party.

katana · 20th June 2007, 03:30 PM

Sword has arrived, the dimensions do suit a piso podang...

Blade is approx 25" (63cms) long, 3cms (1.25") wide at hilt and 4mm thick.
The blade is very old, some minor forging flaws, 2 narrow, shallow fullers running under the spine with a wider,deeper fuller approx. midway along the blade.All fullers are forged not ground out. False edged for 4" (10cms) . Overall length just over 30" (76cms)
A fast lively sword POB 9cms from hilt. Tiny amount of very faint etching survives on one side of the blade near hilt, possibly foliage
Likely the blade is very old European...but not certain. The Langets have a rivet (a steel rivet through a brass one) which secure them to the blade. A feature I have not seen before. Unlike many tulwar hilts this is comfortable to hold.
This sword has a few, old battle scars

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Now I am totally confused

All comments gratefully received, thank you

Battara · 20th June 2007, 09:11 PM

STill does not fit the piso pedang hilt. For example it is missing the cup a the end and hilts are not pierced. Looks early Indian.

Henk · 20th June 2007, 10:29 PM

Hi Katana,

I still go for the Tulwar or Firangi party.

Look at this thread http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=844
Especialy the third one.

It certainly isn't a Piso Podang. I'm very sure of it.

katana · 21st June 2007, 08:29 PM

Hi,
thankyou for all your help

.........I have got a PM which states the sword is a ......

"...17th century mahrattan Indian sword missing the whole of the basket hand and knuckle guard which would have sat down on the ridge that you can see at the bottom of the grip, they often are missing."

Would anyone have an example or information of a similar sword, thank you

Regards David

17th June 2007, 02:55 PM	#1
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,653	PISO PODANG ? Comments Appreciated Hi, I have just added this to my collection, a nice looking Piso Podang....I think....Looks genuinely old and used ....the fuller runs to the point, suggesting tip damage in its past. Not certain, whether the blade is European, Indian or local I do not have the sword 'to hand', so for now, the sellers pictures will have to suffice. Comments greatly appreciated Attached Images Last edited by katana; 18th June 2007 at 01:07 PM.

17th June 2007, 05:01 PM	#4
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Not a piso podang. Could be a pulwar or an older 17th or 18 century tulwar. Lew Last edited by LOUIEBLADES; 17th June 2007 at 06:50 PM.

17th June 2007, 06:54 PM	#6
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,653	Thankyou all for your input. I didn't think this was a Pulwar because, as Ward has already mentioned, the quillions were not 'upturned' towards the blade. Never considered this to be a Tulwar because of the lack of curveature of the blade. A Ferengi 'minus' the 'basket hilt' was a possibillity. But the overall impression was that this sword was a Piso Podang......now I am totally confused Lew, you suggested 17thC - 18th C , is that due to the hilt design ? Last edited by katana; 17th June 2007 at 09:38 PM.

20th June 2007, 03:30 PM	#9
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,653	Sword has arrived, the dimensions do suit a piso podang... Blade is approx 25" (63cms) long, 3cms (1.25") wide at hilt and 4mm thick. The blade is very old, some minor forging flaws, 2 narrow, shallow fullers running under the spine with a wider,deeper fuller approx. midway along the blade.All fullers are forged not ground out. False edged for 4" (10cms) . Overall length just over 30" (76cms) A fast lively sword POB 9cms from hilt. Tiny amount of very faint etching survives on one side of the blade near hilt, possibly foliage Likely the blade is very old European...but not certain. The Langets have a rivet (a steel rivet through a brass one) which secure them to the blade. A feature I have not seen before. Unlike many tulwar hilts this is comfortable to hold. This sword has a few, old battle scars . Now I am totally confused All comments gratefully received, thank you Attached Images

17th June 2007, 04:25 PM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	I don't believe that's a piso podang Katana; quillons on a piso are usually flattened at the ends . http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ht=piso+podang Not sure how this sword would be classified . I'll bet Jens knows .

17th June 2007, 04:48 PM	#3
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Hi David, I agree with Rick. Could be a pulwar?????

17th June 2007, 06:25 PM	#5
ward Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 637	Tulwar. No downward quillons

17th June 2007, 07:42 PM	#7
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	Certainly not a piso podang. The hilt is the hilt form you see on the tulwar. A straight bladed tulwar or even maybe a firangi. Firangi means foreign blade. You have to search in the tulwar region.

18th June 2007, 07:29 PM	#8
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,220	I'm in the tulwar party.

20th June 2007, 09:11 PM	#10
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,220	STill does not fit the piso pedang hilt. For example it is missing the cup a the end and hilts are not pierced. Looks early Indian.

20th June 2007, 10:29 PM	#11
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	Hi Katana, I still go for the Tulwar or Firangi party. Look at this thread http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=844 Especialy the third one. It certainly isn't a Piso Podang. I'm very sure of it.

21st June 2007, 08:29 PM	#12
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,653	Hi, thankyou for all your help .........I have got a PM which states the sword is a ...... "...17th century mahrattan Indian sword missing the whole of the basket hand and knuckle guard which would have sat down on the ridge that you can see at the bottom of the grip, they often are missing." Would anyone have an example or information of a similar sword, thank you Regards David