Timor

Tim Simmons · 15th April 2007, 04:40 PM

I swapped a fair bit to get this. Is it from Timor? It is certianly more me than what I swapped.

ariel · 15th April 2007, 05:07 PM

Bagobo kampilan?

RhysMichael · 15th April 2007, 05:09 PM

I have to second what Ariel said , Bagobo or maybe T'Boli

paolo · 15th April 2007, 06:09 PM

This is my one. Arzi describe it as T'boli kampilan.
http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=2037
Regards
Paolo

paolo · 15th April 2007, 06:20 PM

I think to the tip of the scabbard.

Bagobo ?
Paolo

Tim Simmons · 15th April 2007, 06:34 PM

Thanks chaps, very helpful. I am on shaky ground this far east. I swapped quite a nice silvery thing and a few over scabbard-less bits. He did well?, I did well?

All in, this is more me. There was hair sticking out of the two things at the bottom of the scabbard, a few bits of stubble left. I think it is probably early 20th century.

RhysMichael · 15th April 2007, 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paolo

I think to the tip of the scabbard.

Bagobo ?
Paolo

I remember reading that one of them more commonly had the bells or beads on the end of the hilt. The other group more commonly has no beads/bells. But for the life of me I cannot remember if it is T'boli or Bagobo that has which. Someone here will know maybe Ian will see this soon. Both I think can have scabbards like this.

Also I am not sure if this would be a kampilan or a bangkung. Where Paolo's link fits the kampilan form better.

A T'boli sword in the HOS catelogue can be seen here
http://www.arscives.com/historysteel.../196-jca03.jpg

Battara · 15th April 2007, 07:29 PM

It is T'boli. The T'bolo make all there handles and bells out of brass using lost wax method. The Bagobo do not make this same type of small bell. Rhysmichael is right in that both can have scabbard ends like this. If you etch the blade you may get a pattern in it. It is pretty close to complete. A nice piece.

By the way - the T'boli piece that is in the link is mine that I loaned to the exhibit.

RhysMichael · 15th April 2007, 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

It is T'boli. The T'bolo make all there handles and bells out of brass using lost wax method. The Bagobo do not make this same type of small bell. Rhysmichael is right in that both can have scabbard ends like this. If you etch the blade you may get a pattern in it. It is pretty close to complete. A nice piece.

By the way - the T'boli piece that is in the link is mine that I loaned to the exhibit.

Thanks for clearing up which was which. And that is a nice example that was on display in the exhibit.

Any input on if the one here should be called a kampilan or a bangkung ?

VANDOO · 15th April 2007, 10:25 PM

THERE IS A GOOD POST ON THESE IN THE OLD ARCHIVES IF I REMEMBER CORECTLY THE FANCY TIBOLI SWORDS WERE REFERED TO AS A TOK .

Tim Simmons · 16th April 2007, 12:09 PM

I would just like to thank you all again. You have provided enough information for me to make a basic search and make better evaluation of the swap. He got a smart looking thing and the two other bits were okay. I got the piece that is far more rare

. Thanks.

fernando · 16th April 2007, 06:50 PM

Hi Tim,
Here's one with a price.
http://www.eriksedge.com/PH191.html
rgds.
fernando

Tim Simmons · 16th April 2007, 08:32 PM

Thanks for the link Fernando. I think the odds were only just in his favour but the big Trumbash even though a nice spear went and some money, more than makes up any difference. I am reasonably happy I think

The main thing is too enjoy visiting a friend and talk, swap and dream weapons and bargains.

Battara · 17th April 2007, 01:19 AM

IMHO, I think you got the better end of the deal.

15th April 2007, 04:40 PM	#1
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,782	Timor I swapped a fair bit to get this. Is it from Timor? It is certianly more me than what I swapped.

15th April 2007, 05:09 PM	#3
RhysMichael Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Virginia Posts: 520	I have to second what Ariel said , Bagobo or maybe T'Boli Last edited by RhysMichael; 15th April 2007 at 05:19 PM.

15th April 2007, 05:07 PM	#2
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Bagobo kampilan?

15th April 2007, 06:09 PM	#4
paolo Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 173	This is my one. Arzi describe it as T'boli kampilan. http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=2037 Regards Paolo

15th April 2007, 06:20 PM	#5
paolo Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 173	I think to the tip of the scabbard. Bagobo ? Paolo

15th April 2007, 06:34 PM	#6
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,782	Thanks chaps, very helpful. I am on shaky ground this far east. I swapped quite a nice silvery thing and a few over scabbard-less bits. He did well?, I did well? All in, this is more me. There was hair sticking out of the two things at the bottom of the scabbard, a few bits of stubble left. I think it is probably early 20th century.

15th April 2007, 07:29 PM	#8
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,200	It is T'boli. The T'bolo make all there handles and bells out of brass using lost wax method. The Bagobo do not make this same type of small bell. Rhysmichael is right in that both can have scabbard ends like this. If you etch the blade you may get a pattern in it. It is pretty close to complete. A nice piece. By the way - the T'boli piece that is in the link is mine that I loaned to the exhibit.

15th April 2007, 10:25 PM	#10
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	THERE IS A GOOD POST ON THESE IN THE OLD ARCHIVES IF I REMEMBER CORECTLY THE FANCY TIBOLI SWORDS WERE REFERED TO AS A TOK .

16th April 2007, 12:09 PM	#11
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,782	I would just like to thank you all again. You have provided enough information for me to make a basic search and make better evaluation of the swap. He got a smart looking thing and the two other bits were okay. I got the piece that is far more rare . Thanks.

16th April 2007, 06:50 PM	#12
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Hi Tim, Here's one with a price. http://www.eriksedge.com/PH191.html rgds. fernando

16th April 2007, 08:32 PM	#13
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,782	Thanks for the link Fernando. I think the odds were only just in his favour but the big Trumbash even though a nice spear went and some money, more than makes up any difference. I am reasonably happy I think The main thing is too enjoy visiting a friend and talk, swap and dream weapons and bargains.

17th April 2007, 01:19 AM	#14
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,200	IMHO, I think you got the better end of the deal.