What the...???

Spunjer · 8th January 2007, 01:08 AM

i don't understand - this forum is about ethnographical arms, not fantasy swords, repro swords or star wars paraphenelia. yes, the best examples are reserved for the rich and famous, but i would when the smith made these swords, it was made with killing and ending someone's life in mind. effeciently. it started as a killing machine. anything that pertains to it is violence. these weren't unsheated back then just to brag about how pretty it was.

i'm intrigued as to why this forum tries to be squeeky clean. it's really ironic that for a bunch of people that collects objects that was meant to kill, a mere hint of argument between two members warrant a thread closing. that'd be like a bunch of porn collectors trying to maintain a Rated PG forum, lol...

Rick · 8th January 2007, 01:22 AM

Ron, are you referring to the 'Nationalism' thread ?

Threads that I get a complaint about I close until I get a chance to read them.

I'm the only Mod around right now and it's my call .

I like football; the debate can wait .

MABAGANI · 8th January 2007, 02:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spunjer

i don't understand - this forum is about ethnographical arms, not fantasy swords, repro swords or star wars paraphenelia. yes, the best examples are reserved for the rich and famous, but i would when the smith made these swords, it was made with killing and ending someone's life in mind. effeciently. it started as a killing machine. anything that pertains to it is violence. these weren't unsheated back then just to brag about how pretty it was.

i'm intrigued as to why this forum tries to be squeeky clean. it's really ironic that for a bunch of people that collects objects that was meant to kill, a mere hint of argument between two members warrant a thread closing. that'd be like a bunch of porn collectors trying to maintain a Rated PG forum, lol...

It stemmed from the HOS thread, everyone played by
forum rules until favoritism sneaked in and the rules
got bent. In the case of the History of Steel in
Eastern Asia, Antonio and Mark knew the Philippines
sections' team and contributors were doomed to fail
yet they were willing to stab everyone in the back in
order to publish, readers didn't get Philippine
patriotism or nationalism, just misinformation about
the weaponry and history, add this caveat as a
footnote.
"lest we perpetuate misinformation"

LabanTayo · 8th January 2007, 02:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

I like football; the debate can wait .

the chiefs....how embarrasing for me....but the truth is the truth

Spunjer · 8th January 2007, 03:39 AM

Quote:

Ron, are you referring to the 'Nationalism' thread ?

yep, among other things. i thought the thread was starting to get interesting.

VANDOO · 8th January 2007, 03:49 AM

I THINK ALL SIDES MADE THEIR POINTS AS TO THE VARING OPINIONS ABOUT THE MACAU EXHIBIT. SO IT IS TIME TO MOVE ON AS IT IS OLD NEWS IN THE FORUM AT THIS POINT. I REALIZE IT WILL REMAIN A SORE SPOT FOR SOME FOREVER AND THAT THEY WILL PROBABLY NEVER HELP OR PARTICIPATE IN ANY FUTURE EXHIBITS UNLESS THEY HAVE THE POWER TO CONTROL THE SHOW TO THEIR LIKEING. I HAVE FOUND THE ONLY WAY TO CONTROL THINGS TO YOUR LIKING AND NOT HAVE TO COMPROMISE WITH OTHERS IS TO DO YOUR OWN EXHIBITION OR WEB PAGE. I HOPE THIS GAUNTLET THROWN MAY SPARK SUCH A EXHIBIT OR WEB PAGE

PERHAPS WHEN WE RECEIVE OUR CATALOGS THE MEMBERS CAN PROOF READ IT AND POST ANY MISTAKES THEY FIND LISTING PAGE AND MISTAKE AND WE CAN CORRECT OUR COPYS.

AS TO THE FORUM BEING SQUEEKY CLEAN

WE ALL KNOW WHAT THE WEAPONS WERE FOR AND HAVE DISCUSSED THEIR CUTTING ABILITYS ON HUMANS FROM TIME TO TIME WHEN NEEDED. WE HAVE ALSO DISCUSSED HEADHUNTING, CANNIBALISM, EXECUTION ECT I DO FIND IT INTERESTING BUT I SEE NO NEED TO DWELL ON IT. THE WAY THE WEAPONS ARE MADE THE SOCIETYS BELIEFS, TRADITIONS AND HISTORY, FAMOUS WARRIORS OR WEAPONS , MAGICAL POWERS, ECT. BEING MORE IMPORTANT AND INTERESTING THAN HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE TO CUT A 6 FOOT MAN INTO 100 PIECES AND IN WHICH ORDER THE CUTS SHOULD BE MADE.

THRU OUT HISTORY THERE HAVE BEEN GOOD PEOPLE AND BAD PEOPLE ON ALL SIDES AND FALSE HOOD AND TRUTH IN WRITTEN HISTORY. THE WRITTEN REPORTS ALWAYS ARE BASED ON THE WRITERS UNDERSTANDING OF THE SITUATION AND HIS VIEWPOINT WHICH IS OFTEN VERY UNINFORMED. INDEED A MORO MAY NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GET CLOSE ENOUGH TO STRIKE WITH HIS BARONG AND THREW IT AS A LAST ATTEMPT BEFORE BEING CUT DOWN. THIS MIGHT HAVE STUCK IN THE MIND OF A WITNESS ESPECIALLY IF IT WAS A NEAR MISS OR A SUCESSFUL THROW AND HE MIGHT HAVE WRITTEN THAT THEY THROW THEIR KRIS NOT EVEN KNOWING THE PROPER NAME OF THE WEAPON.
THERE IS OFTEN VIOLENCE WHEN PEOPLE WHO DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE OTHERS SOCIETY,BELIEFS ,TRADITIONS COME AND TRY TO FORCE THEIR OWN ON THOSE PEOPLE. MOST OFTEN IT IS DONE THRU USING WAR, SLAVERY, VIOLENCE AND TERROR TO ENFORCE THEIR NEW LAWS TO SUBJIGATE AND THEN CONTROL OR CONVERT THE PEOPLE TO THEIR VIEWS. THIS NO DOUBT HAPPENED IN THE PHILIPPINES AS WELL AS MANY OTHER PLACES AMONG SOME TRIBES DURING MASS IMIGRATIONS LONG BEFORE THE EUROPEANS,SPANISH OR AMERICANS ARRIVED AND DID THE SAME. IN MANY PARTS OF THE WORLD IT IS STILL HAPPENING TODAY FOR VARIOUS REASONS SOME GOOD AND SOME BAD.

OFTEN THE INVADER IS TAUGHT THAT HIS TRIBE, RACE, SOCIETY, COUNTRY OR RELIGION IS BETTER THAN THEIRS SO ALL THE VIOLENCE AGAINST THOSE WHO WON'T GO ALONG PEACFULLY IS JUSTIFIED AND FOR THEIR OWN GOOD.

THE BELIEFS OF THE PEOPLE AND THE PEOPLE THEMSELVES ARE MILIGNED TO MAKE THEM APPEAR LOWER FORMS OF LIFE TO DEHUMANIZE THEM AND MAKE IT EASIER TO HATE THEM AND DESTROY THEM. OFTEN TERRIBLE DEEDS, BATTLES AND CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY ARE DREGED UP FROM HISTORY TO AGAIN FAN THE FLAMES OF HATERED AND CAUSE MORE TERRIBLE THINGS TO HAPPEN.
UNFORTUNATELY IT WORKS JUST AS WELL TODAY AS IN THE ANCIENT PAST THIS PITTING OF ONE TRIBE, NATION, RACE, RELIGION, OR CLASS AGAINST THE OTHER TO CREATE CHAOS AND SUFFERING IN THE PRESENT.

POOR MODERATOR HE WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO WATCH HIS FOOTBALL GAME AT THIS RATE YET ANOTHER HOT TOPIC. THATS 3 IN SHORT ORDER ARE WE GOING FOR THE RECORD

TIME TO CALL FOR REINFORCEMENTS

Bill M · 8th January 2007, 03:54 AM

Jeez, let the poor guy watch his football!

Hopefully this thread will NOT begin to gather complaints so he has to close it also.

Anybody got any new old weapons?

Rick · 8th January 2007, 03:56 AM

Not to worry Barry, Bill et al; I'm closing this thread as well.
Thanks for your contributions but now I'm off to bed.

A note to all:

GOOD NIGHT .

8th January 2007, 01:08 AM	#1
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	What the...??? i don't understand - this forum is about ethnographical arms, not fantasy swords, repro swords or star wars paraphenelia. yes, the best examples are reserved for the rich and famous, but i would when the smith made these swords, it was made with killing and ending someone's life in mind. effeciently. it started as a killing machine. anything that pertains to it is violence. these weren't unsheated back then just to brag about how pretty it was. i'm intrigued as to why this forum tries to be squeeky clean. it's really ironic that for a bunch of people that collects objects that was meant to kill, a mere hint of argument between two members warrant a thread closing. that'd be like a bunch of porn collectors trying to maintain a Rated PG forum, lol...

8th January 2007, 01:22 AM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	Ron, are you referring to the 'Nationalism' thread ? Threads that I get a complaint about I close until I get a chance to read them. I'm the only Mod around right now and it's my call . I like football; the debate can wait .

8th January 2007, 03:49 AM	#6
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	I THINK ALL SIDES MADE THEIR POINTS AS TO THE VARING OPINIONS ABOUT THE MACAU EXHIBIT. SO IT IS TIME TO MOVE ON AS IT IS OLD NEWS IN THE FORUM AT THIS POINT. I REALIZE IT WILL REMAIN A SORE SPOT FOR SOME FOREVER AND THAT THEY WILL PROBABLY NEVER HELP OR PARTICIPATE IN ANY FUTURE EXHIBITS UNLESS THEY HAVE THE POWER TO CONTROL THE SHOW TO THEIR LIKEING. I HAVE FOUND THE ONLY WAY TO CONTROL THINGS TO YOUR LIKING AND NOT HAVE TO COMPROMISE WITH OTHERS IS TO DO YOUR OWN EXHIBITION OR WEB PAGE. I HOPE THIS GAUNTLET THROWN MAY SPARK SUCH A EXHIBIT OR WEB PAGE PERHAPS WHEN WE RECEIVE OUR CATALOGS THE MEMBERS CAN PROOF READ IT AND POST ANY MISTAKES THEY FIND LISTING PAGE AND MISTAKE AND WE CAN CORRECT OUR COPYS. AS TO THE FORUM BEING SQUEEKY CLEAN WE ALL KNOW WHAT THE WEAPONS WERE FOR AND HAVE DISCUSSED THEIR CUTTING ABILITYS ON HUMANS FROM TIME TO TIME WHEN NEEDED. WE HAVE ALSO DISCUSSED HEADHUNTING, CANNIBALISM, EXECUTION ECT I DO FIND IT INTERESTING BUT I SEE NO NEED TO DWELL ON IT. THE WAY THE WEAPONS ARE MADE THE SOCIETYS BELIEFS, TRADITIONS AND HISTORY, FAMOUS WARRIORS OR WEAPONS , MAGICAL POWERS, ECT. BEING MORE IMPORTANT AND INTERESTING THAN HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE TO CUT A 6 FOOT MAN INTO 100 PIECES AND IN WHICH ORDER THE CUTS SHOULD BE MADE. THRU OUT HISTORY THERE HAVE BEEN GOOD PEOPLE AND BAD PEOPLE ON ALL SIDES AND FALSE HOOD AND TRUTH IN WRITTEN HISTORY. THE WRITTEN REPORTS ALWAYS ARE BASED ON THE WRITERS UNDERSTANDING OF THE SITUATION AND HIS VIEWPOINT WHICH IS OFTEN VERY UNINFORMED. INDEED A MORO MAY NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GET CLOSE ENOUGH TO STRIKE WITH HIS BARONG AND THREW IT AS A LAST ATTEMPT BEFORE BEING CUT DOWN. THIS MIGHT HAVE STUCK IN THE MIND OF A WITNESS ESPECIALLY IF IT WAS A NEAR MISS OR A SUCESSFUL THROW AND HE MIGHT HAVE WRITTEN THAT THEY THROW THEIR KRIS NOT EVEN KNOWING THE PROPER NAME OF THE WEAPON. THERE IS OFTEN VIOLENCE WHEN PEOPLE WHO DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE OTHERS SOCIETY,BELIEFS ,TRADITIONS COME AND TRY TO FORCE THEIR OWN ON THOSE PEOPLE. MOST OFTEN IT IS DONE THRU USING WAR, SLAVERY, VIOLENCE AND TERROR TO ENFORCE THEIR NEW LAWS TO SUBJIGATE AND THEN CONTROL OR CONVERT THE PEOPLE TO THEIR VIEWS. THIS NO DOUBT HAPPENED IN THE PHILIPPINES AS WELL AS MANY OTHER PLACES AMONG SOME TRIBES DURING MASS IMIGRATIONS LONG BEFORE THE EUROPEANS,SPANISH OR AMERICANS ARRIVED AND DID THE SAME. IN MANY PARTS OF THE WORLD IT IS STILL HAPPENING TODAY FOR VARIOUS REASONS SOME GOOD AND SOME BAD. OFTEN THE INVADER IS TAUGHT THAT HIS TRIBE, RACE, SOCIETY, COUNTRY OR RELIGION IS BETTER THAN THEIRS SO ALL THE VIOLENCE AGAINST THOSE WHO WON'T GO ALONG PEACFULLY IS JUSTIFIED AND FOR THEIR OWN GOOD. THE BELIEFS OF THE PEOPLE AND THE PEOPLE THEMSELVES ARE MILIGNED TO MAKE THEM APPEAR LOWER FORMS OF LIFE TO DEHUMANIZE THEM AND MAKE IT EASIER TO HATE THEM AND DESTROY THEM. OFTEN TERRIBLE DEEDS, BATTLES AND CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY ARE DREGED UP FROM HISTORY TO AGAIN FAN THE FLAMES OF HATERED AND CAUSE MORE TERRIBLE THINGS TO HAPPEN. UNFORTUNATELY IT WORKS JUST AS WELL TODAY AS IN THE ANCIENT PAST THIS PITTING OF ONE TRIBE, NATION, RACE, RELIGION, OR CLASS AGAINST THE OTHER TO CREATE CHAOS AND SUFFERING IN THE PRESENT. POOR MODERATOR HE WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO WATCH HIS FOOTBALL GAME AT THIS RATE YET ANOTHER HOT TOPIC. THATS 3 IN SHORT ORDER ARE WE GOING FOR THE RECORD TIME TO CALL FOR REINFORCEMENTS

8th January 2007, 03:54 AM	#7
Bill M Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Georgia Posts: 1,599	Jeez, let the poor guy watch his football! Hopefully this thread will NOT begin to gather complaints so he has to close it also. Anybody got any new old weapons?

8th January 2007, 03:56 AM	#8
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	Not to worry Barry, Bill et al; I'm closing this thread as well. Thanks for your contributions but now I'm off to bed. A note to all: GOOD NIGHT .