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Old 14th August 2024, 10:31 AM   #1
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I recently purchased this nice knife-shaped dagger together with other pieces. Handle and mountings of the scabbard are made of silver but not hallmarked. The blade is pierced and devorated with brass, something we can see also by some Albacete daggers.
Now I'm not sure about the origin and age and was not able to find it out via Google, so I need your help. If I would have to say something, I would say Spain, 19th century, but I'm not sure about that at all.
I have seen very similar daggers in the past, but I'm not able to find such pieces in the internet again. I found daggers with some similarities, like Albacete daggers, daggers from the Canary Islands, italian Vendetta daggers or gaucho knifes, but they are all not the same like this piece.
What do you think?

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Old 14th August 2024, 02:31 PM   #3
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The blades silhouette, brass divider, and pommel design are similar to pieces that I have seen that were said to be Brazilian.
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Thank you very much, this was helpful for me. Now I found a small number of similar daggers and an old thread about such pieces:

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...azilian+dagger

Finally it seems to be unclear, if such daggers are brazilian, argentinian or spanish. Maybe there will be more information available in the future.

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Old 15th August 2024, 06:56 PM   #5
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Finally it seems to be unclear, if such daggers are brazilian, argentinian or spanish. Maybe there will be more information available in the future.
I have found written evidence of production of blades in Brazil. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorocaban_knife I seem to remember that you are a polyglot. The references in the bibliography may be of some help. Also check out the sections in the article on History and enterçado production. I wonder if the brass is mimicking this or is hiding a weld of steel to iron. Search the word Sorocaba on the forum that should give you some leads as well. Now where this particular blade was produced is beyond my knowledge, sorry. We will learn together. The dress to me seems Brazilian or from the southeast of Sud America. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...hlight=uruguay post #6. Plese let us know what you discover. I am kind of surprised Lee or Detlef haven't chimed in yet.

PS I forgot to tell you what a pretty piece that is!
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Here is an article on Bahian style faça plus a picture of a Paraguayan. They seem to be copyright free. Even in written form my Portuguese is very flawed, but to my understanding the OP knife seems to have many of the characteristics described. Including the engraved pomegranates. The brass inlays, and the self-bolster. So possibly a northern Brazilian providence? In any case we have not spoken of Bahian blades in many years. Fernando, please elaborate if you feel inclined.
Two last interesting threads and I will put these ideas into my subconscious for a while:
Post #28 http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=bahia
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=bahia

Does anyone understand the symbolism of the centipede?
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