8th May 2024, 09:46 PM | #1 |
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Medieval style dagger repro but how old ??
Good day gentlemen,
Can this dagger be something good ?? It seems well done but the velvet is too much and the damas blade seems weird on this kind of dagger. Can it be spanish ?? Indian recent fake damas blade ?? do indians 'fake 'bladesmith'' make these models in recent reproductions ? I didn't find any line this one. Caveat emptor... Kind regards |
10th May 2024, 08:47 AM | #2 |
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Hello,
For me, Bad late 20th indian reproduction |
10th May 2024, 10:00 AM | #3 |
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Maybe the blade yes
But guard and pommel are really well made and seems not recent. Any other thoughts ?? |
10th May 2024, 01:29 PM | #4 |
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No offense Marius but, dare i say a decoration item all the way through; a letter opener maybe ? .
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10th May 2024, 04:05 PM | #5 |
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What did the seller represent it as?
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10th May 2024, 07:10 PM | #6 |
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Thank you all for teh message
It said an old dagger in medieval style old reproduction with real gold ans silver engravings. Total length 52cm /20,4 inches long overall long for a letter opener. I thought about a theater dagger but too much chiselled and why a damas ( fake) blade ? |
10th May 2024, 09:18 PM | #7 | |
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Copies can be quite nice. I would enjoy this one for what it is: a nicely done repro. |
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12th May 2024, 08:43 PM | #8 |
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I know next to nothing about European blades but could it be a 19th century Toledo dagger?
Attached is an example I found on the net. |
13th May 2024, 07:05 PM | #9 |
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Thank's a lot Sajen,
That's the kind of steel damascening I was thinking about when I suggested Spanish dagger origin I will try to remove the ( too ) fancy velvet/chape in scabbard and hilt if I can, See how it is made under... Kind regards |
14th May 2024, 07:44 AM | #10 | |
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Yes, the velvet looks like it could be a later addition, keep us updated! Regards, Detlef |
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14th May 2024, 12:24 PM | #11 |
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As this is an assumed replica, we now ought go move it to the Miscellania section !
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16th May 2024, 08:47 PM | #12 |
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Hello Sajen,
I have removed the first mount and the inner scabbard is made of wood Idem, in the hilt, under the velvet there is a wooden piece. The small stones and pearls are well setted/made Idem, I find the gold and silver damascenining quality made and show some age, Just the pommel and the tip of the scabbard had been cleaned too much. . I have sanded and polished the blade, it was covered with some kind of wax to avoid rust so it looked too recent shiny and fake. So it is a real damas blade don't know about the age but it is a real weapon ... Fernando, can't we.put it.again in the european weapons forum ?? I saw 19th damas blade on french and german hunting daggers |
16th May 2024, 08:55 PM | #13 |
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I like.the wild boar head,
Don't think it is a coat of arms / family crest. a deco for a '' royal'' main gauche hunting dagger 😅 |
17th May 2024, 11:19 AM | #14 |
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Thank you very much Fernando !!
I found a mix of similar parts but nothing exactly look like... Here a french hunting dagger with boars and damas blade |
17th May 2024, 11:25 AM | #15 |
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Here the ''same'' kind of damascened steel
And old velvet covered parade swords or dagger Some models with xxl historic importance... |
17th May 2024, 08:21 PM | #16 |
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Hello Marius,
Really nice dagger ! The new pictures help a lot! An high quality dagger certainly expensive but not old I guess, For me made by a blacksmith in the second period of the 20th century. PS: I'd like to get one like that |
18th May 2024, 09:13 PM | #17 |
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I just want to add this picture,
The blade moves a little in the scabbard and the velvet is used/missing inside so I don't think all dagger and scabbard are so recent. |
29th May 2024, 01:17 PM | #18 |
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Looking for my monogramms and Kaiser Willhelm II,
I found this german royal gift dagger with damas blade. If it hadn't such an amazing history, we could think it is just a recent reproduction |
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Thank you Francantolin
for your imput ! I sharpened the edges and age the blade with a special trick , I find it looks older/ authentic now |
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